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A suicide crisis among veterinarians

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Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians

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I work in a veterinary school, and it's remarkable to see how worn down veterinarians are compared to my colleagues in "people medicine" (and my comparison group are infectious disease folks - they're not exactly a cheerful group). To be honest, at this point, between how hard it is to get into vet school, the debt load, and how you're signing up for crushing compassion fatigue your whole life, and a career of hoping…

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Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians

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I imagine vets go into the business because they like animals. Hard if you bond with every patient. Not sure how to get out of that particular catch-22.

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Sounds like you met a bunch of junkies that are so determined that they picked their career around drug-access.

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Sounds like you met a bunch of junkies that are so determined that they picked their career around drug-access.

Maybe I'm just unlucky, but I have met 4 vets now, all in different walks of life (yoga class, my rock climbing buddies, an ex-colleague who did a career change, and a cousin), and all of them have at least experimented with animal drugs...

Hard to believe it isn't widespread in the industry.

Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians

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I imagine vets go into the business because they like animals. Hard if you bond with every patient. Not sure how to get out of that particular catch-22.

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I'd be impressed if the percentage of vets that do drugs is higher than any other similar profession.

A lot of people do hard drugs - I've seen conservative estimates at ~12% of the of the adult and teenage population.

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> One of the most common criticisms veterinarians receive is that they're greedy. Doctors and staff are often asked to give discounts or waive fees, and owners can get upset when the answer is no. Clearly, we need universal pet health care.

I know you're joking, but it wouldn't hurt to have a nationwide nonprofit pet insurance offering.

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Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians

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I work in a veterinary school, and it's remarkable to see how worn down veterinarians are compared to my colleagues in "people medicine" (and my comparison group are infectious disease folks - they're not exactly a cheerful group). To be honest, at this point, between how hard it is to get into vet school, the debt load, and how you're signing up for crushing compassion fatigue your whole life, and a career of hoping…

> hoping someone will pay for a procedure to save their pet's life while being braced for "I guess we should put them down..."

I'm sorry, but vet costs are completely out of whack with reality these days. The truth of the matter is that most people cannot justify spending thousands of dollars on a pet, no matter how much they are loved, and that DOES NOT make them bad or unfit owners. The story quoted $10k to remove a skewer a puppy swallowed, and then pressured the owner give the pup up when they couldn't afford that. Can you not see how that would be viewed as insanely predatory? For profit companies should not be involved in human or animal medicine. Once that cash cow is gone maybe vet school prices will come down to earth.

Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians

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I'm not really an animal person and I briefly dated a vet once and it always used to crack me up how when she was telling a story she would refer to the animals as patients. Like I get it, animals are sentient, have emotions, are intelligent, have ways of communicating etc. But there is still something inherently funny about this to me, like a sketch show where you're zoomed in on what you assume are two doctors in white coats with scrubs and stethoscopes talking about a problematic patient and then the camera cuts to the wide shot and you realise the doctors are actually vets and the trouble causing patient is actually a mischievous dog.

Anyway, I bring this up, one because it's funny but two because it highlights how emotionally tough the job is for vets - most people can easily empathise with how hard a surgeon or doctors job must be but can struggle more when it comes to vets. But to these guys these animals are their patients and they feel the same level of responsibility to them that doctors do to humans. It's got to be tough when you have to put so many of them down week after week after week.

Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians

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I work in a veterinary school, and it's remarkable to see how worn down veterinarians are compared to my colleagues in "people medicine" (and my comparison group are infectious disease folks - they're not exactly a cheerful group). To be honest, at this point, between how hard it is to get into vet school, the debt load, and how you're signing up for crushing compassion fatigue your whole life, and a career of hoping…

> hoping someone will pay for a procedure to save their pet's life while being braced for "I guess we should put them down..." I'm sorry, but vet costs are completely out of whack with reality these days. The truth of the matter is that most people cannot justify spending thousands of dollars on a pet, no matter how much they are loved, and that DOES NOT make them bad or unfit owners. The story quoted $10k to remove…

Absolutely. Any time we have a routine visit, e.g. shots and a checkup, it costs us about $300. I can't remember a single vet visit we had that was less than $100, and we haven't had an emergency visit in years. I have no idea how most people afford it, I assume they just don't take their pets to the vet.

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I know you're joking, but it wouldn't hurt to have a nationwide nonprofit pet insurance offering.

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> I've seen the kind of people who get pets

I'm sorry, what? Isn't pet ownership pretty universally distributed across all classes? We have a dog in the white house.

Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians

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I work in a veterinary school, and it's remarkable to see how worn down veterinarians are compared to my colleagues in "people medicine" (and my comparison group are infectious disease folks - they're not exactly a cheerful group). To be honest, at this point, between how hard it is to get into vet school, the debt load, and how you're signing up for crushing compassion fatigue your whole life, and a career of hoping…

> hoping someone will pay for a procedure to save their pet's life while being braced for "I guess we should put them down..." I'm sorry, but vet costs are completely out of whack with reality these days. The truth of the matter is that most people cannot justify spending thousands of dollars on a pet, no matter how much they are loved, and that DOES NOT make them bad or unfit owners. The story quoted $10k to remove…

So one of the things that comes up a lot is that it's not actually that correlated with cost.

Most vets I know (I also work for a state school, not a for profit company) are very sympathetic toward very large and expensive bills, and have always been up front about cost in a way that human medicine is not. There's also a myriad of ways they try to reduce bills when they can.

The toll is from folks who aren't spending much smaller amounts of money on life saving procedures.

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