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ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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The culprit seems to be: > " Chollet thinks he knows what’s going on: summer vacation... a significant portion of students using ChatGPT to do their homework. It’s one of the most common uses for ChatGPT, according to Sam Gilbert, a data scientist and author. " https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chatgpt-suddenly-isn-t-boomin...

Given that ChatGPT was just released last fall and it was expected to revolutionize practically everything, isn't it still telling that usage is falling? Where are the scientists, lawyers, doctors, office workers etc? You'd expect a slowing in the rate of growth, not shrinking. I don't know, if high school and undergrad students being off for the summer is enough to shrink your app maybe it's not all that? Edit: I un…

> isn't it still telling that usage is falling?

No. Every tech company at the moment is scrambling to build LLMs into their product. That's where the real value is going to be.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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I assumed that this was just a clickbait headline and that "a dip in ChatGPT usage" must have a huge cofounder effect with "a dip in general Internet use".

But I couldn't find any "monthly internet traffic patterns" source.

So I asked ChatGPT for pointers/sources, of course.

And it seems indeed that there is a notable Internet traffic dip in June and July [0] and increased Internet usage during the Northern winter (when ChatGPT was initially launched and grew exponentially), so... I think the premise of this article is extremely flawed.

[0] https://www.hubspot.com/hubfs/summer_slump_website_traffic_a...

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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I consider code to be non-fiction, and ChatGPT will generate stuff that compiles and works most of the time. There's no need to triple-check the code output.

But this is not really an accurate comparison. "Code" is really a much much much smaller and much much much more structured output than "English words". Presumably, the system was trained with a very small amount of "untrue code" in the sense of stuff that just absolutely could never work. And also presumably, it was trained with a lot of free-form text that was definitely wrong or false, and highly likely to have be…

But it understands English words and translates the meaning behind them into code very well, particularly with a bit of iteration. Simply taking the interface from writing code to speaking in plain language is a huge practical accomplishment.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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It really is astonishing how much you can get done this way. I've been setting up a home lab for myself, and the answers Gpt4 gives are miles ahead of the stack overflow results or documentation of the apps or whatever else. Rarely (very rarely) it will give me a wrong answer, but then I paste in the error message or describe the problem I had and it almost always comes up with the correct answer 2nd try. Final step…

I disagree with that. It's very useful writing boilerplate and documentation, but two third the time I'm in front of a bug I'm to lazy to understand and ask ChatGPT, with context and all, the answer is wrong. I can fiddle with it to reduce that to a third of the time, but in the end, only the questions that are really, really hard to figure on your own are left. Still, it's way better and more efficient than Google.…

What tech stack(s) do you work with?

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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I see people using ChatGPT, Bard, etc. to answer questions on mailing list threads. It'll be a long thread of thoughtful human written responses, and then someone will come along and say "I asked Bard what it thought about this issue, here's the response". And then out comes five paragraphs of text that I might as well not even bother reading, as it often contains falsehoods that I have to waste time looking up and d…

The point is you need to collaborate with the LLM, not just expect it to provide fully-formed answers. I've saved countless hours of work over the past few months using GPT-4 to help me solve problems. One general framework can be to use it to help you google a solution instead of a problem. Googling a problem gives you all kinds of results, which you then need to dig through and understand in order to evaluate wheth…

So many small things go faster. For example, I throw the output of Windows-Shift-T (power tools keyboard shortcut for screenshot OCR) text into ChatGPT with a "remove line breaks" prompt. Yes, I know how to Ctrl-H ^l in Word, and other ways, but they sometimes produce odd results (missing spaces, extra spaces), and GPT is faster.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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The culprit seems to be: > " Chollet thinks he knows what’s going on: summer vacation... a significant portion of students using ChatGPT to do their homework. It’s one of the most common uses for ChatGPT, according to Sam Gilbert, a data scientist and author. " https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chatgpt-suddenly-isn-t-boomin...

Not a student, stopped using ChatGPT because OpenAI is unreliable. Moved on to other models and providers

Increasing alternatives would be expected to play a major part in reducing ChatGPT usage.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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A bit of clickbait seems to me. “9 month old Demo ware service sees fluctuation in active users” I find it weird that folks seem to look at ChatGPT as some sort of end product. It’s a “holy shit this is cool” demo that became viral. It’s not a product. It’s a POC.

It's definitely a product, as the company charges money for the service.

In my construct I would say they’re charging for access to the POC to cover costs.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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The hard part is the SQL query, because you need to make sure the SQL query is safe to execute. Collecting data is far easier by comparison, but you absolutely could use an LLM for that too.

I’m not saying that the SQL query is at all easy, but since you have pretty much accomplished in on a short period of time, while Google, Yelp, etc. have still not completely solved the problem of store hours after decades of working on them, I’m going to lean towards that being the hard problem between the two.

The OP said "This is a pretty low bar request IMO" suggesting that the problem they expect an LLM to be able to do is not the hard problem you're saying Google and Yelp has not solved. It's a different problem.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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> then someone will come along and say "I asked Bard what it thought about this issue, here's the response" At least they tell you where the text came from, so you know to skip it. It's worse when they just post an LLM response as their own.

This would annoy me significantly. Can I ask what field you're in?

I'm a software developer. Working, in part, on AI systems, ironically enough.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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So? Don‘t know what kind of homework you‘re thinking about. But using Google to do research doesn’t exactly sound like a problem to me.

It is more so the fact that someone takes something from ChatGPT, and then just feeds potentially contentious assertions into Google to see if they are true or not. What does someone learn from doing this? What happens when they actually have to use their brain to do something hard? At this point, why bother?

You forgot the part where the Google results that the student double-checks against are actually SEO blogs written with the help of ChatGPT...

I don't think Google in 2024 is guaranteed to be the critical-thinking tool that 2004 Google might have been.

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