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ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by tomcam »

RC_ITR wrote: post #138
tomcam wrote: post #127

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> She did not enjoy having first weeks of summer without a phone. Good for you. I know that kind of situation is not fun for a parent either.

Alternatively this is an analogue to a parent in 1985 taking their computer away from their kid. AI tools exist, we should be encouraging our kids to learn how to exist in a world with them, not some nostalgic extinct world without.

I choose to believe that at a minimum, she didn’t read the book, and no AI summary will get you the same experience. Also, lying is bad.

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Post by camdat »

JimtheCoder wrote: post #136
konha wrote: post #124

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So? Don‘t know what kind of homework you‘re thinking about. But using Google to do research doesn’t exactly sound like a problem to me.

It is more so the fact that someone takes something from ChatGPT, and then just feeds potentially contentious assertions into Google to see if they are true or not. What does someone learn from doing this? What happens when they actually have to use their brain to do something hard? At this point, why bother?

If someone plugs math into a calculator, are they really learning something when it spits out an answer?

Of course! How to apply the calculator to problems, and how to discern if a problem is calculator-solveable. We've decided as a society it's better for students to use calculators as a tool in mathematics, why is chatGPT different in literature?

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Post by copperx »

CydeWeys wrote: post #126
stubybubs wrote: post #114

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Given that ChatGPT was just released last fall and it was expected to revolutionize practically everything, isn't it still telling that usage is falling? Where are the scientists, lawyers, doctors, office workers etc? You'd expect a slowing in the rate of growth, not shrinking. I don't know, if high school and undergrad students being off for the summer is enough to shrink your app maybe it's not all that? Edit: I un…

I see people using ChatGPT, Bard, etc. to answer questions on mailing list threads. It'll be a long thread of thoughtful human written responses, and then someone will come along and say "I asked Bard what it thought about this issue, here's the response". And then out comes five paragraphs of text that I might as well not even bother reading, as it often contains falsehoods that I have to waste time looking up and d…

I consider code to be non-fiction, and ChatGPT will generate stuff that compiles and works most of the time. There's no need to triple-check the code output.

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Post by tempestn »

CydeWeys wrote: post #126
stubybubs wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that ChatGPT was just released last fall and it was expected to revolutionize practically everything, isn't it still telling that usage is falling? Where are the scientists, lawyers, doctors, office workers etc? You'd expect a slowing in the rate of growth, not shrinking. I don't know, if high school and undergrad students being off for the summer is enough to shrink your app maybe it's not all that? Edit: I un…

I see people using ChatGPT, Bard, etc. to answer questions on mailing list threads. It'll be a long thread of thoughtful human written responses, and then someone will come along and say "I asked Bard what it thought about this issue, here's the response". And then out comes five paragraphs of text that I might as well not even bother reading, as it often contains falsehoods that I have to waste time looking up and d…

The point is you need to collaborate with the LLM, not just expect it to provide fully-formed answers. I've saved countless hours of work over the past few months using GPT-4 to help me solve problems. One general framework can be to use it to help you google a solution instead of a problem. Googling a problem gives you all kinds of results, which you then need to dig through and understand in order to evaluate whether there's something that can be adapted to your use case. On the other hand, you can ask GPT-4 for solutions to the problem, and then google those, which cuts the process down significantly. Of course that's only one example. The pattern though is that you need to play to its strengths. It's not particularly smart, but it's very knowledgeable. Just like a human though, you can't expect it to perfectly regurgitate all the details. You use it for direction, and then refine from there, through conversation with the LLM as well as external research.

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Post by justapassenger »

ben_w wrote: post #135
justapassenger wrote: post #101

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It's deliberate. It's not deliberate by the tech itself. But they pack it in the product and market it, with a general narrative that it's superhuman like experience that is going to replace humans. At this level, it's deliberate.

The marketing is what you're complaining about? Log in: > This is a free research preview. > Our goal is to get external feedback in order to improve our systems and make them safer. > While we have safeguards in place, the system may occasionally generate incorrect or misleading information and produce offensive or biased content. It is not intended to give advice. *next page* > Limitations > May occasionally genera…

What you describe is not marketing - it's legal-ish language.

For marketing - listen to Sam Altman says. Listen to what VCs say. Listen to what influencers say.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by novaRom »

Multiple reasons, but most important:

1. ChatGPT is "play twice and forget" for 90% of users, driven by curiosity.

2. ChatGPT’s answers have actually gotten significantly worse over time.

3. No fun. It's too restricted, hesitant to answer, annoying moral lessons and disclaimers.

4. Distrust. How can it improve productivity or save your time if you always need to double check it with Google or Wikipedia?

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Post by hospitalJail »

I notice my usage goes in waves.

There are days and weeks I use it constantly for things, but then I don't touch it for a bit.

Its like I already learned what I needed to and don't have a use for it.

Regarding LLMs, we have a usecase but we need local models. The local models by itself are not good enough, so we need to train/fine-tune. To fine-tune we need a beefy computer. We have the beefy computer but its air-gapped... Ugh hahaha. It makes dev quite slow.

The other thing is that there is a learning curve on LLMs. You get burned by bad information and you might not use it until you learn of a usecase that doesnt require the information to be great. For instance, I'll describe a meeting/person I'm talking to, then ask what are 2 of the best questions I could ask. These questions have been great.

That is better than asking about an easily google-able question. You need to be exposed or creative enough to come up with the prompts.

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Post by ryan93 »

konha wrote: post #108
treeman79 wrote: post #97

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Mentioned ChatGPT to my teenager a few months ago. Huge percentage of the teenagers at her school are using it to do their assignments. Later I her to read a few chapters of her book for summer reading. When I quizzed her it, she got it right. Found out later she used ChatGPT to give her a summary of the first chapters. She did not enjoy having first weeks of summer without a phone. School is having to change all ass…

That sounds incredibly backwards to me. How about accepting new realities and changing homework assignments instead?

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Post by horsawlarway »

vladgur wrote: post #122
horsawlarway wrote: post #95

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I went self hosted. It was about time to build a new desktop anyways (roughly 4 to 6 years before the old one goes to frolic at the server farm in the basement) and $2,000 will easily buy a machine that can run the quantized 65b models right now. So I spent slightly more than I normally do on this latest box and it's happily spitting out 10+ tokens a second. You're not going to beat GPT-4 yet, but you have direct con…

Can you describe your build?

2 x 3090 (renewed) ~1800

128gb ram ~400

reasonable processor/mobo/psu ~600

2Tb m2 drive ~94

In hindsight - I don't know that the second GPU was worth the spend. The c++ tooling is doing a very good job right now at spreading work between GPU vram and main ram and still being fast enough. Even ~4/5 tokens a second is fast enough to not feel like you're waiting.

I'd suggest skipping the second card and dropping the price quite a bit (~2100 vs ~2900) unless you want to tune/train models.

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