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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by justinator »

tracerbulletx wrote: post #840
explorer83 wrote: post #816

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If anyone is thinking they are bigger than they are it's these mods. Some of my favourite hobbies have been absolutely tainted by people who become mods of a community who put their societal/political/sexual beliefs with equal weight with the actual topic of the sub reddit. Say anything that mildly offends the mods personal beliefs? Banned. Or at the very least, find yourself limited in the role you can play in the c…

Stop pushing the narrative that the mods are the source of the protest. They're just acting on the behalf of the members of their subreddit who are upset at the direction of the company.

I'm sure the truth is a little more cloudy than that. Mods are the ones who can cut off a community (not plain users), no matter what the users think they should do. I bet most users don't give two thoughts either way. Mods in some of the communities I participate did the 48 hour thing, and now have the community set to read-only indefinitely. I don't remember there being voting for former - and certainly not the latter.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by junon »

jimbob45 wrote: post #332
paulmd wrote: post #263

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The problem is that people don't even agree on what "it" is. Low friction of cross-board collaboration increases the spam problem. There will be low quality instances in a federated world. Other people really really just want to post about woodworking or whatever and the federation thing is not interesting at all. Nobody wants a feed without content in it anymore than staring at an empty email account, so you kind of…

4chan has a pretty tidy solution by having 10x as many janitors as mods. The janitors recommend posts/threads for deletion but the mods hold the ultimate power. Even better with a functional reporting system.

How do you think reddit works, my guy?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by justinator »

rjbwork wrote: post #856
tracerbulletx wrote: post #840

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Stop pushing the narrative that the mods are the source of the protest. They're just acting on the behalf of the members of their subreddit who are upset at the direction of the company.

Agreed. I am one of the oldest active Reddit users and I 100% agree. I have voted in many subreddits' polls for this. I mod a handful of small subs myself and have done the same. My needs are not the same as some of those large subs, so I am not continuing the blackout, but I fully support those that are. I intend to keep using old.reddit.com and never installing their mobile app instead of my 3rd party client.

> I fully support those that are.

Fully supporting the blackout would mean continuing the blackout on your own subs, would it not? Just say you're "partially" supporting the blackout - like in ways that don't directly effect your direct, current use of the platform. I don't care either way, just be honest with yourself.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by goykasi »

bloqs wrote: post #729
goykasi wrote: post #293

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Im not a fan of how reddit is handling the situation, but: > To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Is just not true at all unless you have actual stats to back that up. A ton of people disagree with that take. The site has grown a massive amount since the new design was released in 2018. S…

This isn't a good take because the evidence is contextual. Joe Average users typically download the reddit app because they are forced to or face the dysfunctional mobile site. I watched my own partner do it. She doesnt like the app or care for reddit at all, its simply next generation facebook style walled garden garbage, including reddits fucking terrible video hosting format. The business has abandoned its once co…

> I watched my own partner do it. She doesnt like the app or care for reddit at al

But did she leave a review? I dont mean to diminish your anecdote; I was strictly referring to public stats. Millions of people download and eventually ignore the app, but clearly enough are downloading it and having positive feelings about it. Thats how we got to this situation.

> has abandoned its once core userbase in favour of cheap eyeballs

I agree. It really sucks, but it is happening.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by coffeebeqn »

mlyle wrote: post #60
janalsncm wrote: post #31

Reddit could have avoided all of this years ago by building out the tools that moderators claim to need. Instead, they relied on third parties to create them. Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting. While removing 3rd party apps is certainly annoying for users, mods are what keep the site functioning. The fact that Reddit chose to take this course of action tells me that they don…

The richest part here is where spez refers to moderators as a "landed gentry": https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blacko... “And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.” What does that make spez relative to the constituents in his community?

The king.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by Applejinx »

JohnBooty wrote: post #226
rjvir wrote: post #146

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Spez is CEO because the board and investors deem him to be the best person for the job. Of course, he founded Reddit, so he has a strong case on merit for why he is the #1 person on the planet to run the company. The process for selecting moderators is way less meritocratic or democratic than this. They merely got there first, finders keepers. The analogy for landed gentry is accurate.

The analogy for landed gentry is accurate. Land is finite and subreddits are not. You can fork off and make your own subreddit whenever you like If subreddit mods are landed gentry, then so are open source maintainers.

Now that's a solid analogy.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by sleepybrett »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #843
iaw wrote: post #786

I think Huffman is falling into a trap that Kanye and Mark Zuckerberg have fallen into: trying to prove he's special. Kanye rose to fame as a young genius rapper/producer/designer and was acclaimed repeatedly. Zuckerberg rose to fame as a brilliant business twenty-something (according to the world around). They spent half their life being praised and told they're important, brilliant, special, prescient, etc. So they…

I've met Steve, and I have to disagree. In my view he is not ego-driven and is quite thoughtful and considerate. Is it possible that he's right? That the damage done to reddit by these boycotts or the reaction to them isn't as bad as the media hype would have you believe?

Steve edited user comments, denied he did it, and then admitted he did it. What is that other than ego-driven without thought and inconsiderate?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by sleepybrett »

goykasi wrote: post #293
Loveaway wrote: post #128

This is so sad honestly. Like wtf is going on, no apology, no good will, doubling down on the complete moral suicide of Reddit. To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Social media zombie sheeple is all that's going to be left. Congrats on your dumb little site, from the front-page of the In…

Im not a fan of how reddit is handling the situation, but: > To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Is just not true at all unless you have actual stats to back that up. A ton of people disagree with that take. The site has grown a massive amount since the new design was released in 2018. S…

I use the reddit app very occasionally. Mostly when I'm away from my laptop and someone DMs or replies to me. For actually USING reddit, browsing threads etc it is woefully shitty experience.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by coffeebeqn »

Dah00n wrote: post #753
bredren wrote: post #319

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> ... they don’t actually know that much about their own website. That might also explain why they never built out the tooling to begin with. Its this. It starts at the top: > Huffman, also a Reddit co-founder, said he plans to pursue changes to Reddit’s moderator removal policy to allow ordinary users to vote moderators out more easily if their decisions aren’t popular. He said the new system would be more democrati…

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I find these political theory arguments odd. Reddit is a corporation owned by a few wealthy VCs. There is nothing democratic or communistic or totalitarian about it
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