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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by weaksauce »

tolmasky wrote: post #713
goykasi wrote: post #293

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Im not a fan of how reddit is handling the situation, but: > To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Is just not true at all unless you have actual stats to back that up. A ton of people disagree with that take. The site has grown a massive amount since the new design was released in 2018. S…

Full disclosure, I use the main Reddit app. I don't think that I've ever installed a different app. That being said, I think it's actually pretty crazy that Apollo is #10 (in News). It's not clear that being 8 spots higher is that much of an accomplishment considering the site itself is constantly pestering you to install it, and the Reddit app can be used completely for free vs. the Apollo app requiring you to pay (…

they seem to be cooking the books wrt the reviews. there are a ton of one word app reviews that are 5 star

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by bbarn »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #809
taude wrote: post #789

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Why do you deserve to have no ads? Reddit isn't a community service. I do think that for moderators, they could have some special app to help them do their jobs easier, but for regular users, meh, the ads are easy enough to scroll past, like in other social media outfits. I also don't agree that the mobile app is shitty.

> Why do you deserve to have no ads? Because my attention belongs to me. Exclusively. It's not yours. It's not reddit's. It's not Google's. It doesn't belong to anyone other than I, certainly not a corporation. It's not a currency that can be used to pay for services. They do not have the right to sell it off to the highest bidder. I deserve not to be advertised to for the same reasons women deserve not to be raped:…

That is an absurd and frankly insulting comparison to make.

Rape is an act of physical violence, and you're arguing about a small price to use a free service.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by dimmke »

Washuu wrote: post #787
dimmke wrote: post #766

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Something that has gotten lost amidst all the pricing talk is that Reddit said their API would also stop serving any content marked as NSFW, essentially making it useless for any third party app (general use or moderator use) even if they could come to an agreement on pricing.

The NSFW thing is extra annoying because there are a lot of subreddits that use the NSFW flag to mark entries as something else with styles applied to change the appearance.

Yeah, a huge % (I have no way of getting a real number but I’d bet everything on >25% of content on Reddit is marked as NSFW. It would make any client unusable.

The only way these API change make sense if the rumor that Steven Huffman is actually delusional enough to think that companies building LLMs will pay to use Reddit for training data is true.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by max51 »

tbatchelli wrote: post #119
kristopolous wrote: post #40

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The people here thinking they got something for free is Reddit management. If the roles these moderators played start looking like it was a form of work that's employee misclassification and backpay time.

Interesting thought. If they can be fired, they were employed.

By that definition, almost every user on every social media platform would be an "employee". What reddit mods are doing is really not that different from creating a facebook group to organise a party with your friend or a twitter page to share curated content that you love.

Mods don't work for reddit, they work for their community/subreddit. Creating a group on a social media platform doesn't make you an employee that can be fired. It makes you a power user that can get banned if you mess with other users/communities or with the platform too much.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by JohnBooty »

dx034 wrote: post #346
JohnBooty wrote: post #242

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All they had to do was make showing ads part of the ToS for developing third party apps, Not a rhetorical question: have any companies done this successfully? It seems like such an obvious solution to me, but I haven't seen it mentioned. One possible shortcoming (from Reddit's perspective) is the fact that the official Reddit app doesn't just show ads, it also collects all sorts of other user behavior data. So for th…

Can you really make that much money with behavior data? If that was the case, wouldn't we see more sites with few ads? I believe ads bring in the vast majority of money, behavior data helps ad targeting and can maybe sometimes bring in insignificant amounts as well.

    Can you really make that much money with behavior data?
Good question. I don't know if companies sell behavior data directly or if it just helps them to target ads better and therefore theoretically improve conversion rates.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by explorer83 »

iaw wrote: post #786

I think Huffman is falling into a trap that Kanye and Mark Zuckerberg have fallen into: trying to prove he's special. Kanye rose to fame as a young genius rapper/producer/designer and was acclaimed repeatedly. Zuckerberg rose to fame as a brilliant business twenty-something (according to the world around). They spent half their life being praised and told they're important, brilliant, special, prescient, etc. So they…

If anyone is thinking they are bigger than they are it's these mods. Some of my favourite hobbies have been absolutely tainted by people who become mods of a community who put their societal/political/sexual beliefs with equal weight with the actual topic of the sub reddit. Say anything that mildly offends the mods personal beliefs? Banned. Or at the very least, find yourself limited in the role you can play in the community. Unfortunately, these mods seem to have the most free time to hijack the shared common interest in the sub-reddit topic to push their own version of community standards. I'm just speaking to my limited experience of my own personal interests but that's all I can say about it.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by matheusmoreira »

bbarn wrote: post #812
matheusmoreira wrote: post #809

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> Why do you deserve to have no ads? Because my attention belongs to me. Exclusively. It's not yours. It's not reddit's. It's not Google's. It doesn't belong to anyone other than I, certainly not a corporation. It's not a currency that can be used to pay for services. They do not have the right to sell it off to the highest bidder. I deserve not to be advertised to for the same reasons women deserve not to be raped:…

That is an absurd and frankly insulting comparison to make. Rape is an act of physical violence, and you're arguing about a small price to use a free service.

Oh is it? Your mind isn't part of your body? In civilized society, people can't even touch you without your consent. Why do they have complete freedom to inject disinformation and spam into your mind with complete impunity? I won't accept it.

I don't know about you but I consider my mind even more sacred than my body. It's not some advertiser's playground for them to spam their bullshit with complete impunity. I will resist that abuse. I don't need to "deserve" it. I'm not alone either. It's hard enough to cope with attention deficit without these spammers around.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by JohnBooty »

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #330
JohnBooty wrote: post #226

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The analogy for landed gentry is accurate. Land is finite and subreddits are not. You can fork off and make your own subreddit whenever you like If subreddit mods are landed gentry, then so are open source maintainers.

This seems like a broken analogy. Of course you can make an infinite amount of subs, but with 0 users they would be pointless.

If you're talking about the ginormous default subs, then yeah -- the landed gentry analogy is kind of apt. You can't just make your own alternative to r/pics or whatever and expect to gain traction without some unique angle and a lot of work.

(Although, again, this is how open source works as well. You can't just fork Debian or ffmpeg or Rails and expect a community on Day 1...)

If you're talking about the "long tail" of smaller subs, those get forked/replaced all of the time if there are mod issues or if somebody just has an idea to cover a specific topic from a different angle.

For an example, a lot of people didn't like the moderation tactics of r/audiophile, nor their refusal to look at affordable gear, so some of us made r/budgetaudiophile. We serve different parts of the audience and we cooperate with eachother. And both of us refer headphone-related questions to r/headphones. That is an example of things actually working Extremely Well.

Reddit is in an interesting position. I think its only real value is that long tail. That is where the actual valuable content+community is. The ginormous generalist subs get huge traffic but are utterly disposable - there's no real reason to get your memes or whatever from Reddit vs ICanHazCheezeburger vs random meme-based Facebook group etc etc etc etc etc.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by kccoder »

paradite wrote: post #544
Loveaway wrote: post #128

This is so sad honestly. Like wtf is going on, no apology, no good will, doubling down on the complete moral suicide of Reddit. To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Social media zombie sheeple is all that's going to be left. Congrats on your dumb little site, from the front-page of the In…

I like the new Reddit UI for mobile web compared to old.reddit.

Both are inferior to reddit.com/r/.../.compact, which they nixed a few months ago, on mobile.
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