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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Killing geese that lay Golden Eggs is old and enduring Silicon valley tradition.

Maybe, but in this case there was no golden eggs, Reddit had users but no way of making any money out of it other than by selling the data (which is exactly what they seem to be doing now).

I would have happily paid a few bucks a month for Reddit premium if they had decided to tie api access to that.

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I think Huffman is falling into a trap that Kanye and Mark Zuckerberg have fallen into: trying to prove he's special. Kanye rose to fame as a young genius rapper/producer/designer and was acclaimed repeatedly. Zuckerberg rose to fame as a brilliant business twenty-something (according to the world around). They spent half their life being praised and told they're important, brilliant, special, prescient, etc. So they…

> Zuckerberg tanked the stock price with VR/Metaverse

Is that what happened? ISTR there was something else tanking the stock (Cambridge analytica? TikTok? Headlines become forgotten so quickly these days) and the metaverse thing was a saving throw.

Even if my explanation is correct, it was an overreaction (didn't need to rename the company) and didn't work.

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An ironic sentiment considering Reddit is entirely reliant upon free labor of both moderators and users who upload content to provide any experience whatsoever. Reddit is, at the moment, purposely expensive to run. They could have chosen to be a much smaller operation and act as stewards, but they want to turn a Craigslist into a Facebook. OpenAI will get the data one way or another. Frankly they’ve probably got abou…

I didn’t know moderators were being generous with their time only because Reddit was not profitable /s Reddit will do what it wants with with their costs. It’s not a publicly funded entity. Building on top of someone else’s content is always risky. Just look at what Twitter did a few years ago. If you want publicly available services, you need to socialize them. As long as it’s a for-profit company, they will do as t…

Obviously they can do whatever they want, no one is saying they are doing something illegal, the pertinent question isn't can they be doing this but should they be doing this. I disagree that this is a sound business decision, and that is taking into account their goals of going public and becoming profitable. Internet popularity is fickle and that is the only moat they have.

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I think Huffman is falling into a trap that Kanye and Mark Zuckerberg have fallen into: trying to prove he's special. Kanye rose to fame as a young genius rapper/producer/designer and was acclaimed repeatedly. Zuckerberg rose to fame as a brilliant business twenty-something (according to the world around). They spent half their life being praised and told they're important, brilliant, special, prescient, etc. So they…

It's important to remember that Digg imploded for the same reason that Reddit is having trouble: a big investment, followed by demands to recoup it. Reddit was ready to take up the slack. The thing that will save Reddit is that there doesn't seem to be another service ready to absorb the outflow.

The death of digg was pretty anti climactic compared to this standoff. I’ve been going to Reddit less and less over the years to the point where I try to avoid it now. It’s a huge echo chamber and the voting system caters to the lowest common denominator.

I do wonder if Reddit will pass the torch to a third platform or will this type of site die off. I don’t see the community surviving a very profit driven site which the IPO will force on them. I’m not sure what their moat is exactly other than the large userbase

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There was the old adage for Excel that: - 100% of people view spreadsheets - 10% of people use something like SUM() or similar - 1% of people write VB macros You can create a product which works well for the _average_ viewer, but if it sucks for the 1% of 10% (maybe mods or contributors in this analogy), you're going to create a bad user experience for everyone.

Loads of Excel users aren't really doing "spreadsheets" except in the sense that it's Excel and that's a spreadsheet software, so arguably this is a spreadsheet. The same way arguably if I type this novel into Visio now that's a diagram. Like, is "An Oak Tree" a sculpture? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Oak_Tree For many Excel users it's like computerised graph paper, they can write stuff in boxes, maybe use it to…

Just as a side note: > It was once barred by Australian officials from entering the country as "vegetation".[13][14] Craig-Martin was forced to inform them that it was really a glass of water. He said, "It was of course a wonderfully funny incident, particularly because it extended into 'real life' the discussion about belief and doubt, and fact and fiction I was addressing in the work."

I'm somehow really let down by the guy's failure to commit to the bit. It's not an artwork unless he commits to the bit… far as I can tell, he should have gone along with it as the customs officials were doing. What a killjoy :)

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If anyone is thinking they are bigger than they are it's these mods. Some of my favourite hobbies have been absolutely tainted by people who become mods of a community who put their societal/political/sexual beliefs with equal weight with the actual topic of the sub reddit. Say anything that mildly offends the mods personal beliefs? Banned. Or at the very least, find yourself limited in the role you can play in the c…

Stop pushing the narrative that the mods are the source of the protest. They're just acting on the behalf of the members of their subreddit who are upset at the direction of the company.

Agreed. I am one of the oldest active Reddit users and I 100% agree. I have voted in many subreddits' polls for this. I mod a handful of small subs myself and have done the same. My needs are not the same as some of those large subs, so I am not continuing the blackout, but I fully support those that are. I intend to keep using old.reddit.com and never installing their mobile app instead of my 3rd party client.

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I think Huffman is falling into a trap that Kanye and Mark Zuckerberg have fallen into: trying to prove he's special. Kanye rose to fame as a young genius rapper/producer/designer and was acclaimed repeatedly. Zuckerberg rose to fame as a brilliant business twenty-something (according to the world around). They spent half their life being praised and told they're important, brilliant, special, prescient, etc. So they…

I've met Steve, and I have to disagree. In my view he is not ego-driven and is quite thoughtful and considerate. Is it possible that he's right? That the damage done to reddit by these boycotts or the reaction to them isn't as bad as the media hype would have you believe?

I've met Steve, and I have to disagree. In my view he is ego-driven and is not really thoughtful nor considerate.

Is it possible that parent is right? That the damage done to reddit by these boycotts or the reaction to them is as bad if not worse as the media hype make it seems ?

(just pointing out how your message using a personnal connection appeal and chosen adjective to indicate good and bad sides essentially brings nothing factual nor argumentative besides trying to orient the conversation)

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It was the same with Digg and Slashdot.

Unless there's an realistic alternative to Reddit that users are actually moving to - then no it's not.

There are loads of reddit alternatives. The only thing reddit has going for it is network effect.

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I think Huffman is falling into a trap that Kanye and Mark Zuckerberg have fallen into: trying to prove he's special. Kanye rose to fame as a young genius rapper/producer/designer and was acclaimed repeatedly. Zuckerberg rose to fame as a brilliant business twenty-something (according to the world around). They spent half their life being praised and told they're important, brilliant, special, prescient, etc. So they…

If anyone is thinking they are bigger than they are it's these mods. Some of my favourite hobbies have been absolutely tainted by people who become mods of a community who put their societal/political/sexual beliefs with equal weight with the actual topic of the sub reddit. Say anything that mildly offends the mods personal beliefs? Banned. Or at the very least, find yourself limited in the role you can play in the c…

I've seen this argument a lot on here and I don't really get it. I go to specific hobby subreddits to talk about specific hobby subreddit things, not to see other people make irrelevant comments or something that might mildly offend someone else. As far as I am concerned mods are well in their rights to shut that kind of stuff down.

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I think Huffman is falling into a trap that Kanye and Mark Zuckerberg have fallen into: trying to prove he's special. Kanye rose to fame as a young genius rapper/producer/designer and was acclaimed repeatedly. Zuckerberg rose to fame as a brilliant business twenty-something (according to the world around). They spent half their life being praised and told they're important, brilliant, special, prescient, etc. So they…

If anyone is thinking they are bigger than they are it's these mods. Some of my favourite hobbies have been absolutely tainted by people who become mods of a community who put their societal/political/sexual beliefs with equal weight with the actual topic of the sub reddit. Say anything that mildly offends the mods personal beliefs? Banned. Or at the very least, find yourself limited in the role you can play in the c…

The CEO of Reddit (and even the management team as a whole) can be fairly treated as a monolithic block. They generally speak with one official voice.

There are thousands of reddit moderators, most of whom have never met each other. You cannot possibly generalize across all of them.

See also: Comments about "black people", "white people", "tech bros", or any other large group of humans.

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