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Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Previous thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36347711 554 point, 5 hours ago, 518 comments => not on the front page. No, it's not the algorithm.

Thanks for the link - I wouldn't have seen that thread had you not brought it up. However, are you implying the original story is being manually supressed? Could it be the discussion there got too heated? There are other factors that determine ranking, see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

#52
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's their right. Many subs announced they would protest for 48 hours to prove a point, at which point they returned. But a moderator who continues to keep their sub private indefinitely is not protesting a decision, they are defacing their subreddits and harming their members. Removing such a moderator is the appropriate thing to do.

Incorrect, it is a legitimate protest. Many have pointed out that Reddit could just wait out 48 hours, so indefinite blackout is a more logical move.

Incorrect, it is holding information hostage, due to vainglorious moderators.

The internet routes around damage.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Reddit could have avoided all of this years ago by building out the tools that moderators claim to need. Instead, they relied on third parties to create them. Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting. While removing 3rd party apps is certainly annoying for users, mods are what keep the site functioning. The fact that Reddit chose to take this course of action tells me that they don…

I can't prove this, but I believe that being an open platform with lots of cool apps built around it used to be what drove its power users towards using Reddit in the first place.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

#54
post #37

Reddit could have avoided all of this years ago by building out the tools that moderators claim to need. Instead, they relied on third parties to create them. Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting. While removing 3rd party apps is certainly annoying for users, mods are what keep the site functioning. The fact that Reddit chose to take this course of action tells me that they don…

> Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting Reddit has announced they're providing carveouts for apps that provide critical moderation tools, that justification is already gone.

Uhh, not according to mods as of two days ago...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/148ks6u/indefinit...

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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post #21
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is just where a community posted up. Reddit is free-riding off the efforts of the community, it is a lopsided arrangement. Reddit is not a challenging software platform to replicate, there are already platforms ready to be migrated to. They are biting the hand that feeds them, and if the community decides to leave Reddit has no value proposition anymore. They think they are the community, but they are just whe…

If the community decides to leave, it won't be because of API pricing, it'll be because the content and spaces they used to enjoy were taken offline because of a minority of moderators.

If "the community" is upset at the moderators, they can take solace in the fact that the communities are almost certainly coming back - it's just a matter of if it's under new management or not.

The real question will be if that new management is up to the task, and somehow, I feel like trying to scrape together a new mod team for thousands of subreddits on short notice is not going to work out like they had hoped.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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post #54
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting Reddit has announced they're providing carveouts for apps that provide critical moderation tools, that justification is already gone.

Uhh, not according to mods as of two days ago... https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/148ks6u/indefinit...

https://mods.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/16693988535309

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

#58
post #45

This strategy would work if the people who disagree with the API closure is just the moderators (who provide free labour to reddit). It's not just them though, it might be felt most strongly by the power users, but people also frequent the app because of those power users.

The vast majority of power users are not a moderator either (although most moderators are power users).

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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post #22
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN readers are 1-2-5 years ahead what happens in the market. you can tell a lot of things that are coming down the pipe if you pay attention on HN. Once the "nerds" give up on reddit it will be an uphill battle to keep the site viable.

This exactly. There have been a few tech waves where nerd behaviour was the leading indicator by a few years. Search engine move from AltaVista to Google (yes, I'm old). Laptop move to Macbook Pro's. Ignore the nerds at your peril.

lol. you're not that old. remember the days when Intel was kicking AMD's ass and AMD was mostly building a worse Intel clone? Raise your hand if any of the following say anything to you: K5, K6, Duron. If you raised your hand and can go back even further in time tell me at what frequency did a Z80 run. hahahahaah

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Reddit could have avoided all of this years ago by building out the tools that moderators claim to need. Instead, they relied on third parties to create them. Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting. While removing 3rd party apps is certainly annoying for users, mods are what keep the site functioning. The fact that Reddit chose to take this course of action tells me that they don…

The richest part here is where spez refers to moderators as a "landed gentry":

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blacko...

“And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.”

What does that make spez relative to the constituents in his community?

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