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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

Don't neglect the people who are not mentally ill, but still can't tell the difference between "Yeah, we've got a lot of data on UFOs (stuff we couldn't accurately ID for a variety of reasons) that's classified (because some of it legitimately need to be secret, and we over-classify a lot)" with ""Yeah, we've got a lot of data on UFOs (little green men in flying saucers) that's classified (because we're part of a conspiracy hiding the existence of intelligent alien life)".

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#602

It'd be weird if it turned out that it is an alien aircraft and... that's it. It's too advanced for us to understand, it's too high tech. And we're left with, "Yup, aliens exist. No, we don't know anything more about them." It's like that old movie where an airline pilot drops a Coca Cola can into the midst of an uncontacted Amazonian tribe. "Wow, this thing sure is neat. Damned if I know what it's for though."

This is the situation I’m leaning towards. Military has been trying unsuccessfully for 80 years to figure it out. An adult finally walks into the room, sees how hopeless their attempts are, and whistleblows.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#603

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No it's really not fantastical. We have no physical evidence of extraterrestrials but we do have physical evidence that the CIA engages in sometimes ridiculous operations to psychologically manipulate people. I mean if you told someone the CIA did mind control experiments in the 60s they'd think your nuts. But we know today with certainty they did, often with tragic consequence. So, the bayesian priors, given that in…

Yes, it really is fantastical. Six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon style associations to unrelated historical events, just to motivate fan fiction writing about psyops is not healthy engagement with the state of reported evidence, much less the only reasonable course of action. I can think of another, refraining from entertaining in elaborate explanations born of speculation unsupported by evidence. Boom, done. The fanfiction…

I don't think it's charitable or polite to refer to GP's argument as fan fiction. They're making a genuine argument about what they think could have happened, not writing a made-up story, regardless of how unlikely you think their psy-op hypothesis is.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ctrl-f that page for 'consciousness' and report back.

Not a wiki article, but From Bacteria to Bach and Back is more or less about this very subject.

A philosopher's perspective but still interesting nonetheless.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#605

It'd be weird if it turned out that it is an alien aircraft and... that's it. It's too advanced for us to understand, it's too high tech. And we're left with, "Yup, aliens exist. No, we don't know anything more about them." It's like that old movie where an airline pilot drops a Coca Cola can into the midst of an uncontacted Amazonian tribe. "Wow, this thing sure is neat. Damned if I know what it's for though."

Honestly this is the outcome I'd hope for. Got to leave some mysteries intact.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#606
This guy seems to have done all the right things you're supposed to do if you discover a coverup as a DoD employee. He reported to the Inspector General. He reported to the committees in Congress that oversee intelligence activities. That's all authorized by law and regulation.

He may be wrong, but he didn't do anything wrong.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#607

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop Is it me or is the internet really quick to reach this conclusion? It's definitely not the simplest one you can make. "The US government" can hardly pass a budget but is somehow presumed to be super competent at psyops and/or concealing evidence of aliens.

You're confusing the legislative branch with the intelligence community and other participants in the military industrial complex. Yes, Congress is full of incompetent elected officials who "can hardly pass a budget." But the MIC is comprised of highly specialized professionals with careers spanning multiple presidential administrations and dozens of congressional sessions. It is a mistake to assume these people are incompetent.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#608

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

> US is the only one winning Civilization Earth

Not a single city in the top 100 most livable cities on Earth.

That's a very strange kind of winning.

https://www.eiu.com/n/campaigns/global-liveability-index-202...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#609

It'd be weird if it turned out that it is an alien aircraft and... that's it. It's too advanced for us to understand, it's too high tech. And we're left with, "Yup, aliens exist. No, we don't know anything more about them." It's like that old movie where an airline pilot drops a Coca Cola can into the midst of an uncontacted Amazonian tribe. "Wow, this thing sure is neat. Damned if I know what it's for though."

This is the situation I’m leaning towards. Military has been trying unsuccessfully for 80 years to figure it out. An adult finally walks into the room, sees how hopeless their attempts are, and whistleblows.

This 100%. If this turns out to be real, I bet anything that they are clueless how it works, if they can even get it do anything.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#610
The world is burning and what gets our attention? Aliens; and from a country infamous for alien ship sightings and that same country is known to lie when it's an advantage to them. Not to mention the testimony is hearsay.

Either we have some grifters who don't have a job and are looking to make something out of their background. Or the US is doing some psyops for who knows why. Or just plain old mistaking one thing for another, perhaps through mental illness or jumping to conclusions.

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