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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by nonethewiser »

jameshart wrote: post #273
quickthrowman wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind pf psyop. In this case, I agree. I usually try to avoid conspiratorial thinking and conspiracy theories, but the DoD and related agencies have been putting out all kinds of information about UFOs in the past few years. My question is: why? The DoD isn’t known for their public relations. My best speculative guess is that they’re claiming they’ve found alien craft and exotic alien…

"The DoD isn’t known for their public relations" https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43168/top-gun-2s-exten... The DoD got Tom Cruise to pay them to make a 2hr 10m ad, and then audiences paid $1.5bn at the box office to watch it. The DoD is amazing at PR.

Well normally if someone wants to make money off you they need to give you a cut. Thats not savyness from the DoD. Thats par for the course. They would be wildly incompetent if they let the film makers use the Navy for free.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by wyager »

arcticbull wrote: post #183
moomoo11 wrote: post #129

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If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

> US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. Depends what you mean by winning. Other countries have different priorities, for instance the health and welfare of the population over individual wealth. That doesn't make one right or wrong, but it really this reflects on your priorities more than anything else. And that's ok! I'm just saying it's subjective, not objective, and there's no reason to believe that some…

Aliens would probably not care that french people have more vacation days.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Octokiddie »

Zero specific claims. Zero evidence examined by the person making the allegations. All hearsay.

To top it off, the focus of the story, David Charles Grusch, is a "a former intelligence official."

Pardom me for disregarding this as the diversion it appears to be. The US military has quite a track record on this kind of thing. It's not hard to think of reasons why such diversions might be deployed right now, either.

Maybe some kind of physical evidence - any physical evidence - will be presented. If so, I'm happy to change my mind. Until then, there's zero compelling reason to believe any of it and every reason to think Grusch either a liar or a stooge.

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Post by glenstein »

anon291 wrote: post #403
glenstein wrote: post #399

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>All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. Ugh, I was 100% with you until this point. This is speculative, fantastical, and I think serves to discredit the sober and calm pushback of the type exhibited in the first half of your comment. And that is desperately needed in a moment like this.

No it's really not fantastical. We have no physical evidence of extraterrestrials but we do have physical evidence that the CIA engages in sometimes ridiculous operations to psychologically manipulate people. I mean if you told someone the CIA did mind control experiments in the 60s they'd think your nuts. But we know today with certainty they did, often with tragic consequence. So, the bayesian priors, given that in…

Yes, it really is fantastical. Six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon style associations to unrelated historical events, just to motivate fan fiction writing about psyops is not healthy engagement with the state of reported evidence, much less the only reasonable course of action. I can think of another, refraining from entertaining in elaborate explanations born of speculation unsupported by evidence. Boom, done.

The fanfiction writing serves to validate the manner of thinking that would motivate people to believe the most extreme possible interpretation of this reporting, effectively extending a vote of approval toward people inclined to look at this and put themselves in a headspace of entertaining speculative beliefs without evidence.

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Post by curiousllama »

no_wizard wrote: post #434

Alright HN, we all know that this is likely untrue, from a rational angle, and this thread is full of reasons why, but play this mental exercise with me for a minute: What if its true ? What repercussions would having alien technology have on civilization? Would this fundamentally change beliefs? Influence religion? EDIT: someone pointed out to make this more stimulating we need constrains, assuming the following is…

There’s literally billions of words written about this - they’re called sci-fi novels.

For this to be an interesting question, you need to specify what exactly is true - then we can game implications.

Are we positing that aliens exist? That FTL/time travel is possible? That aliens are attacking, like right now?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by curiousllama »

My favorite theory is that the government periodically leaks this stuff so that junior military members are less scared to report weird stuff they see (stuff that could be new enemy tech)

“Sergeant, I’m telling you, I saw floating meta orbs - it’s aliens! The pentagon said they exist!”

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Post by phs318u »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #309
incrudible wrote: post #171

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> What do you get when you have a multi-billion dollar defense budget and some of the best engineers on the planet? A huge waste.

I don't think 80 years of global peace and safe international trade have been a huge waste.

> 80 years of global peace and safe international trade

Sorry but that's a rather myopic take. A significant portion of the world would claim they've experienced nothing of the sort.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by nonethewiser »

Loquebantur wrote: post #340
quickthrowman wrote: post #250

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You make a very good point, I’m going to stick with the grifter/liar/mentally ill thesis instead.

His actions would have seriously bad consequences for him if he was lying. Several reputable people have gone on record testifying for his (mental) integrity. Even some scientists actually. The whole premise of that guy being easily discredited is absurd. Its lazy thinking plain and simple. Go read the actual article and corroborating information on 'The Debrief'.

His actions would have far worse consequence if he was telling the truth.

If he is lying there is no conspirators to give a shit.

Neither of these point to whether or not hes lying though. Just saying.

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