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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by wokwokwok »

kelnos wrote: post #337
Sharlin wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absence of evidence absolutely is evidence of absence. Like the absence of evidence of an invisible dragon in your garage.

The absence of evidence of an invisible dragon in my garage absolutely is not evidence if its absence. It may very well be there. I strongly suspect it isn't, but that's not the same as evidence.

Yes, but when you go and search your garage you don’t find anything.

You walk through your garage with a camera and when you play back the video, there’s a strange orb on the video!

Must be dragons!

It’s stupid. When you look very hard for something and you dont find it, sure, it’s not evidence it doesn’t exist.

…but it does increase the probability that it doesn’t exist. It eliminates a category of possible “it existing” cases.

Everyone on the planet has a high resolution camera in their pocket, and can share photos and videos instantly online.

Yet, miraculously, paranormal phenomena is somehow covered up by the government…

50 years ago, the possibility of an alien crash coverup seems plausible.

Today, it beggars belief it could happen and not be noticed and commented on.

That is not proof nothing “weird” exists; but if you think it doesn’t eliminate a broad category of things from existing, you’re delusional.

Humans are good at believing in things that don’t exist.

What we see isn’t “reality”, its just our interpretation of the input from our senses. We see things that don’t exist.

That doesn’t make them exist.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by nonethewiser »

bragr wrote: post #208
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

Why does it need to be a mental illness? Could just be gullible.

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Post by anon291 »

glenstein wrote: post #399
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

>All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. Ugh, I was 100% with you until this point. This is speculative, fantastical, and I think serves to discredit the sober and calm pushback of the type exhibited in the first half of your comment. And that is desperately needed in a moment like this.

No it's really not fantastical. We have no physical evidence of extraterrestrials but we do have physical evidence that the CIA engages in sometimes ridiculous operations to psychologically manipulate people. I mean if you told someone the CIA did mind control experiments in the 60s they'd think your nuts. But we know today with certainty they did, often with tragic consequence.

So, the bayesian priors, given that in the course of humanity or even prehistorically there is no certain evidence of aliens, and plenty of evidence of weirdo government manipulation and innumerable examples of propaganda, should be skewed in the favor of any new fantastical governmental claim to be yet another silly operation by some three letter agency.

Until someone procures a body or craft of certain non human origin, this is the only reasonable course of action.

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Post by monetus »

King-Aaron wrote: post #397
monetus wrote: post #351

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I have a family member who won't stop consuming everything about Steven Greer on youtube, and I don't know what to do about it. It is driving me crazy and I just have to tell someone, sorry.

Didn't he start seeing ghosts or some such and started a spiritual ritual camp thing in the desert?

Yeah, he has a retreat or something I think, billed as more expansive (and expensive) than a tour through the desert.

Edit: found his expeditions

Procedure: If you have not been to an expedition before the tuition fee is $2500 – $3500 depending on facility costs. Each expedition is different.

https://siriusdisclosure.com/expeditions/expeditions-w-dr-gr...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by jay_kyburz »

mr_toad wrote: post #362
neltnerb wrote: post #349

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I'd also assume this is just a psyop, though more in the more general propaganda sense. You want other countries to both overestimate and underestimate you. If other countries think there's a serious possibility that the US has alien technology then they'll be extra cautious. I doubt anyone buys it, personally. But propaganda operations definitely have unintended consequences, I'd personally guess that experiments on…

What is it about the US that makes aliens always crash land there? It’s not even the biggest country by land area. And it’s only a small percentage of the total land area of earth. And while we’re at it, why do aliens always crash land where the number of witnesses is close to one? It almost makes you think that all these phenomena are observer dependent.

Tunguska is not in the US?

Roswell was just a badly kept secret. Perhaps other countries are better at keeping secrets.

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Post by cool_dude85 »

giantg2 wrote: post #154
woodruffw wrote: post #141

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To an alien without our particular brand of 21st century capital ethics, I'm not sure that the US is winning Civilization Earth.

It likely would be the biggest threat given the weapons tech though. You generally want to study the things that pose the biggest threat for self preservation.

Imagine watching two beetles fight and deciding that you need to pay most attention to the stronger beetle because it's a better fighter.

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Post by dopidopHN »

whiddershins wrote: post #384
arcticbull wrote: post #183

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> US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. Depends what you mean by winning. Other countries have different priorities, for instance the health and welfare of the population over individual wealth. That doesn't make one right or wrong, but it really this reflects on your priorities more than anything else. And that's ok! I'm just saying it's subjective, not objective, and there's no reason to believe that some…

Show me some evidence for how other countries have produced greater wealth for “the group” than the “selfish US.”

Mississippi. All of it.

I can elaborate : Alabama. Louisiana. Arkansas.

I live in one of those states. I actually like it down there.

But those 4 states address your points and a few more.

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Post by tomphoolery »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

That literally did happen so it's not out of the question to believe such a thing :D

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Post by dopidopHN »

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #275
heavyset_go wrote: post #169

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> If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Sounds like they'd care more about China/South Korea/Japan/Taiwan/etc then.

Not really, most great tech originates in the US. China etc are good at copying. I know that’s an unfashionable statement, but let’s do away with this false modesty for once Btw I’m not from the US.

You are at least 2 decade off.

I live in the US, Going to Shanghai, It seems like more futuristic than New York

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

heavyset_go wrote: post #305
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, most great tech originates in the US. China etc are good at copying. I know that’s an unfashionable statement, but let’s do away with this false modesty for once Btw I’m not from the US.

The US can't even manufacture an iPhone if they wanted to. The world's tech comes out of East Asia.

Manufacture != invention
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