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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by pesfandiar »

crazygringo wrote: post #163
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

Culturally, Godzilla in Japan very much came out of the fear of nuclear weapons and radiation post-Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- a monster awakened and empowered by nuclear weapons [1]. I've never been super clear on what the cultural reason for aliens USA is though. Although I suppose it's different in that Godzilla was an intentional fictional creation, while the fascination with aliens hopes they're actually real. [1]…

Fear of an unknown civilization invading their land, killing them, making them sick, and taking over their resources?

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Post by cperciva »

Dalewyn wrote: post #196
arcticbull wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. Depends what you mean by winning. Other countries have different priorities, for instance the health and welfare of the population over individual wealth. That doesn't make one right or wrong, but it really this reflects on your priorities more than anything else. And that's ok! I'm just saying it's subjective, not objective, and there's no reason to believe that some…

The US is winning (or has won and keeps on winning) the Conquer Victory, the Diplomacy Victory, and the Culture Victory. I think that's the main means of winning Civilization? Been years since I played one.

Is it that shocking that a computer game made in the USA has notions of "winning" which align with those which are dominant in American culture?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by baja_blast »

boringuser2 wrote: post #210
andrewflnr wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? Yes. That is, they almost certainly use objects made out of actual atoms to travel it or whatever the hell. There are almost no hints, with the possible exception of dark matter, in even the most speculative of well -grounded physics, of anything else they could be using. So that's the…

Quick question for you. Have you heard of a really smart guy named "Isaac Newton"? Well, his ideas are only ~300 solar years established and observations in quantum mechanics have opened a realm of complete impossibility to a Newtonian worldview.

Yes, but Isaac Newton would be able to see an F-35 and iPhone and would be able to understand how these things work once explained.

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Post by cronix »

hermitcrab wrote: post #224
postalrat wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

c) An alien civilization can trivial visit Earth and has been for thousands of years. You make a lot of assumptions how difficult it wouldv be to visit and even why they would be here.

I assume that interstellar travel is really difficult for any civilization. That assumption is based on my knowledge of physics (relativity in particular).

> That assumption is based on my knowledge of physics

based on your knowledge of known physics. We're still adding to the periodic table...

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Post by Sharlin »

paulddraper wrote: post #255
boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

> the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences How so? The argument for no aliens is lack of evidence, not evidence of their lack.

Absence of evidence absolutely is evidence of absence. Like the absence of evidence of an invisible dragon in your garage.

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Post by ryanmercer »

stonepresto wrote: post #278
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

The USA loves aliens. And money. And my money is on this guy being a grifter.

Maybe they're just friends of Gordon Shumway, Mork, Paul, and Uncle Martin.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #45

I'm trying to think of any sci-fi stories where the aliens are lost tourists or similar. They are usually presumed to be scientists or government representatives checking out Earth and/or humankind. Maybe ET? -- I don't think that's explained? It's been a lot of years since I saw it. The reality is that the government is interested in unexplained phenomenon primarily for security reasons. That statement does not say…

The novel Waiting for the Galactic Bus is about two immortal energy beings who get stranded on prehistoric Earth while on the immortal-energy-being equivalent of a Spring Break bender, and decide to help these cute li'l apes develop civilization to pass the time.

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Post by belfalas »

fnordsensei wrote: post #189
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

To what end?

You're the fnord sensei so you ought to know best. ;)

When I hear about this alien stuff or other "big government" conspiracies I'm always reminded of this saying, not sure where it's from.

"Behind every vast conspiracy theory is a sincere hope that somewhere out there, someone knows what they're doing."

(i.e., conspiracy nuts in a sense really want to believe in an all-powerful government because it would give them an assurance that someone really does know what's going on).

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Post by tzs »

DrBazza wrote: post #48

Never in human history have we had so many high quality cameras in the hands of so many people. And still no pictures of ufos. Or Bigfoot. Or Nessie.

Several times now I've seen birds that I didn't recognize or planes that didn't look like the normal airliners or small private planes that are common here and taken photos, only to find that the photo is a pretty much unrecognizable blob.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by doctor_radium »

DrBazza wrote: post #49
gumballindie wrote: post #4

Dont get my hopes high. I have the feeling it will be a disappointment. Also why would aliens only visit the us? Surely other countries would be in possession of alien tech if the us was.

Technology to fly light years. But not the technology to land on earth without crashing.

Not that I'm drawing conclusions, but have you considered the possibility that the stuff that crashes is the alien equivalent of the ATV or the hoverboard?
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