Never in human history have we had so many high quality cameras in the hands of so many people. And still no pictures of ufos. Or Bigfoot. Or Nessie.
there are some pretty convincing videos and photos of UFOs out there, the problem is when they are good enough to look real people call them fakes.
US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#1921080p 30fps video? No.
High resolution photos? No.
Any evidence to back up the extraordinary claims? No.
Sorry, but you are crazy if you believe this.
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#193Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…
Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?
You make a lot of assumptions how difficult it wouldv be to visit and even why they would be here.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right
I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question: Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds o…
That could very well be true... but we're not even confident ruling out life on Mars completely, and we landed there and took soil samples and explored.
Honestly, if there are extraterrestrials on Earth, I'd wager my hat that they're from somewhere in the Solar system. Just because the alternative is even more unlikely -- as you rightly argue.
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#195I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…
To what end?
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…
> US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. Depends what you mean by winning. Other countries have different priorities, for instance the health and welfare of the population over individual wealth. That doesn't make one right or wrong, but it really this reflects on your priorities more than anything else. And that's ok! I'm just saying it's subjective, not objective, and there's no reason to believe that some…
I think that's the main means of winning Civilization? Been years since I played one.
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they brought in some trustworthy skeptical folks with some tools and enough background to know what compelling nothing looks like, and they came out saying, "Oh man. oh wow. I'm trying to come up with another explanation, but it really seems like they have it." I'd start taking it seriously. "Guy who seems trustworthy said it's real and he saw the proof" is so very normal, for aliens, ghosts, various religious phe…
Nothing remotely close to that will ever happen, because the people who care about this don't care. In the same way that you want extraordinary evidence to back up these extraordinary claims, they are prepared to disregard any and all evidence to the contrary in order to continue believing all of those same claims. If you haven't, I recommend watching the YT minidoc "In Search of a Flat Earth" by Folding Ideas. It's…
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#198I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…
To what end?
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#199Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…
> this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories I love the optimism in assuming that being a crackpot and having a career in intelligence are incompatible!
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…
> If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Sounds like they'd care more about China/South Korea/Japan/Taiwan/etc then.
Well, if they care about software, all of the above have inferior software compared to the US.