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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by afpx »

api wrote: post #256
fnordsensei wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To what end?

Some speculations: To spook enemies of the US and create a mystical aura of superiority around the US military and its capabilities. They're literally creating the impression that the US military has technology beyond the "Clarke threshold." (The Clarke threshold refers to Arthur C. Clarke's maxim that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.") To shake out moles, spies, and unreliable p…

the US military have been caught off guard several times with newer tech, showing that they’re actually well behind the curve. I don’t think there’s much evidence that they have any advanced tech.

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Post by giantg2 »

gtop3 wrote: post #172
giantg2 wrote: post #154

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It likely would be the biggest threat given the weapons tech though. You generally want to study the things that pose the biggest threat for self preservation.

This is highly speculative on both of our parts. I do think it's presumptuous to assume we'd be a threat to an entity that traveled >4ly. It sounds a lot like picking which classical civilization to study based on how strong their bows are when you are traveling in a stealth bomber.

"I do think it's presumptuous to assume we'd be a threat"

You don't have to be a threat, just appear as the biggest possible one.

"based on how strong their bows are when you are traveling in a stealth bomber."

One has to know what a bow is and that they only have bows to come to that summary conclusion. If you have no knowledge of the capabilities, caution is warranted - whether we're talking about civilizations or a new species of spider.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by jameshart »

quickthrowman wrote: post #209
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind pf psyop. In this case, I agree. I usually try to avoid conspiratorial thinking and conspiracy theories, but the DoD and related agencies have been putting out all kinds of information about UFOs in the past few years. My question is: why? The DoD isn’t known for their public relations. My best speculative guess is that they’re claiming they’ve found alien craft and exotic alien…

"The DoD isn’t known for their public relations"

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43168/top-gun-2s-exten...

The DoD got Tom Cruise to pay them to make a 2hr 10m ad, and then audiences paid $1.5bn at the box office to watch it.

The DoD is amazing at PR.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Sharlin »

adventured wrote: post #170
RajT88 wrote: post #119

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I think the best evidence against Aliens is if the government had any, they would have been trotted out for a rally by now by the last guy.

It's exceptionally likely Trump was kept away from as much intel as they could reasonably keep him from. We know that from things that leaked out after the fact, eg by how General Milley behaved (gave orders to disobey nuclear launch commands coming from Trump).

From what I’ve heard, it’s not like he was even interested in the intel he was supposed to be interested in.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by HL33tibCe7 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #169
moomoo11 wrote: post #129

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If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

> If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Sounds like they'd care more about China/South Korea/Japan/Taiwan/etc then.

Not really, most great tech originates in the US. China etc are good at copying. I know that’s an unfashionable statement, but let’s do away with this false modesty for once

Btw I’m not from the US.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by api »

afpx wrote: post #271
api wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some speculations: To spook enemies of the US and create a mystical aura of superiority around the US military and its capabilities. They're literally creating the impression that the US military has technology beyond the "Clarke threshold." (The Clarke threshold refers to Arthur C. Clarke's maxim that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.") To shake out moles, spies, and unreliable p…

the US military have been caught off guard several times with newer tech, showing that they’re actually well behind the curve. I don’t think there’s much evidence that they have any advanced tech.

They probably both have advanced technology and are caught off guard by other peoples' advanced technology. With China we are already back in a multipolar world.

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Post by kelnos »

krapp wrote: post #252
moomoo11 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

>US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I don't know. I feel like the countries without constant gun violence, where the government is actually capable of passing legislation, where the people actually accept that they live in a society with some acknowledgement of social responsibilities, and can access healthcare and education without incurring a lifetime of crippling debt, are currently winning at civiliza…

I guess it depends on how you define "winning". I like your definition and analysis better, but some people...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by stonepresto »

orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

The USA loves aliens. And money. And my money is on this guy being a grifter.

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Post by kypro »

orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

The only thing aliens love more than the USA is to troll fighter pilots and military bases. Somehow despite all of the cameras and tracking technology these vehicles and locations have, the aliens still manage to avoid being caught on camera and only make their appearance obvious to a few first-hand observers.
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