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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. That depends more on the political necessity of having a scapegoat/figure to tar and feather than the actual law.

> People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. Examples?

Brett Kavanaugh when he said "boofing" meant farting.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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lol ... you are assuming aliens think like humans. Its almost impossible to tell what aliens consider "baddest mfers" or "insane tech and research".

The most advanced tech and research, as an overall, would be trivial for an advanced alien to decide. And the US has been leading in those categories for 80 years at least. The notion that it's impossible to figure out whether an advanced alien would think Afghanistan or the US have more advanced tech/research/science, is absurd. And if you can make that distinction, you can keep going.

I thought alien is looking for resources. They don’t care with the technology because they know they are more advanced.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

Culturally, Godzilla in Japan very much came out of the fear of nuclear weapons and radiation post-Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- a monster awakened and empowered by nuclear weapons [1].

I've never been super clear on what the cultural reason for aliens USA is though. Although I suppose it's different in that Godzilla was an intentional fictional creation, while the fascination with aliens hopes they're actually real.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

Which is more likely?

a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now.

or

b) The people making these claims are wrong.

While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely.

Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

Off topic but somewhat related... As of late, I've really enjoyed watching FPV racing drone footage on YouTube. And it's made wonder - if commercial drones currently on the market are capable of this: https://youtube.com/shorts/mMmBC2nwcjY?feature=share3 What do you get when you have a multi-billion dollar defense budget and some of the best engineers on the planet?

An UFO?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay.

All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believe". These individuals would take vague evidence and through their own nature would exaggerate and fill in the blanks. They then nudged those individuals with carefully curated credible fake evidence. Then they just sat back and waited for a few of those guys to "leak" the information.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question: Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds o…

The fundamental issue is that people really have no intuition as to how unfathomably gigantic space is. Traveling Mars to Earth would require some decent tech. Traveling from the next star over requires some mind-bending tech. An entity traveling from the next galaxy over would necessarily be in possession of just some truly incomprehensible technology and would probably exist on spatial and temporal scales that just…

Just playing devils advocate though: okay, but couldn't they also just have really high-tech ships in a primitive shape (like a sphere, for aesthetic reasons) with really fast engines and really strong hulls, too? Maybe we're simply too limited in our naive essence to understand the technology behind such a simple premise.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

> but as I attempt to learn more and more about physics, travel approaching the speed of light, the mechanics that transformed us from a basic life form to a life form with a consciousness, it just seem incredibly unlikely sadly

As if humanity's knowledge circa 2023 is the end-all of things!

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

> If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them.

Sounds like they'd care more about China/South Korea/Japan/Taiwan/etc then.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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The paradox of ufology is that we can't trust the government because they've been covering up aliens for 70 years, but now we know aliens are real because the government says so. The only fact I know for certain is that the federal government and military industrial complex has a history of lying and waging information warfare on American citizens. If they tell me aliens are here, there's no way I will believe them.…

I think the best evidence against Aliens is if the government had any, they would have been trotted out for a rally by now by the last guy.

It's exceptionally likely Trump was kept away from as much intel as they could reasonably keep him from. We know that from things that leaked out after the fact, eg by how General Milley behaved (gave orders to disobey nuclear launch commands coming from Trump).
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