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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by incrudible »

Madhouse61 wrote: post #127
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

Off topic but somewhat related... As of late, I've really enjoyed watching FPV racing drone footage on YouTube. And it's made wonder - if commercial drones currently on the market are capable of this: https://youtube.com/shorts/mMmBC2nwcjY?feature=share3 What do you get when you have a multi-billion dollar defense budget and some of the best engineers on the planet?

> What do you get when you have a multi-billion dollar defense budget and some of the best engineers on the planet?

A huge waste.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by gtop3 »

giantg2 wrote: post #154
woodruffw wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To an alien without our particular brand of 21st century capital ethics, I'm not sure that the US is winning Civilization Earth.

It likely would be the biggest threat given the weapons tech though. You generally want to study the things that pose the biggest threat for self preservation.

This is highly speculative on both of our parts. I do think it's presumptuous to assume we'd be a threat to an entity that traveled >4ly. It sounds a lot like picking which classical civilization to study based on how strong their bows are when you are traveling in a stealth bomber.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by woodruffw »

giantg2 wrote: post #154
woodruffw wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To an alien without our particular brand of 21st century capital ethics, I'm not sure that the US is winning Civilization Earth.

It likely would be the biggest threat given the weapons tech though. You generally want to study the things that pose the biggest threat for self preservation.

You’d think that would go to the country or countries with tenuous chains of custody over their nuclear weapons, not the US.

(I’m saying that mostly for the sake of argument, not because I think your reasoning is incorrect.)

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by orbital-decay »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

"The notion of invasions by aliens was a projection of the aggressive traits of the predatory, barely civilized ape-man. If he himself willingly did unto others as he would rather not be done by, then he pictured the Advanced Civilization on much the same principle. Flotillas of galactic battleships were supposed to fall upon unsuspecting little planets, to lay hands on the local dollars, diamonds, chocolates, and, of course, beautiful women — for whom aliens had about as much use as we did for female crocodiles."

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by johnea »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #134
throwanem wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories I love the optimism in assuming that being a crackpot and having a career in intelligence are incompatible!

He could have been driven to crackpottery also. Consider this hypothetical: A person in intelligence knows something you would rather didn't get out, but you suspect there's a chance they will leak it. Maybe they have a personality that leads you to believe they can't in good conscience keep that secret, or maybe you're just callous and paranoid, doesn't really make a difference. One thing you could do is convince th…

I always thought this was the point of alex jones...

Some real conspiracies are revealed, but they're mixed in with so much super psycho that everything gets discredited...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by oldstrangers »

thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

"the mechanics that transformed us from a basic life form to a life form with a consciousness"

If those mechanics are known I'd love to hear them.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by finexplained »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

The deltas between the military/technology of the worlds top economies might not even be noteworthy to a species capable of interstellar travel. From there perspective we might just all look the same.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by [deleted] »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by bostonwalker »

beefman wrote: post #96

Aliens have never crashed here. Aliens have never even visited our solar system. The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.

I wouldn’t go so far as to claim that we have hard evidence of aliens crashing here or visiting our solar system, but you’re going completely the other way and making an extraordinary claim without evidence. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by heavyset_go »

bragr wrote: post #152

Tangential, but there's some great analysis and debunks of the video the headline photo is taken from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs Simulation: https://www.metabunk.org/gimbal/

Mick West has consistently put out the best videos examining the UAP phenomenon.
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