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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by wussboy »

nonethewiser wrote: post #402
bragr wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

Why does it need to be a mental illness? Could just be gullible.

Or confused. Or mistaken.

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Post by [deleted] »

paulddraper wrote: post #260
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #123

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Given the enormity of the universe and the seeming[0] impossibility of FTL travel, plus the complete absence of astronomical observation of extraterrestrial civilization, and the incredibly tiny (on astronomical scales) window of time in which we have data, any other explanation for pretty much any phenomena we care to observe will be more likely than "aliens did it". [0] extremely well supported

Even without FTL, time dilation makes travel conceivable, no? You can get halfway across the galaxy in less than 50,000 years.

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by hnthrowaway0315 »

ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

You can always crash, given that mechanic failure happens all the time.

Plus, you might not be able to recover from that failure, e.g. stuck on a planet forever, given that you do not have the material to repair the ship.

You are probably thinking, how come such an advanced species cannot repair its own ship? Well we humans can rarely repair our own ship, we usually rely on professionals to do that. Now that advanced species will have much more advanced systems that no individual can achieve that. Even if they rely on AI, what if AI system broke?

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Post by AvocadoPanic »

mc32 wrote: post #517
ajross wrote: post #514

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Absolutely fascinating that the top two replies to an article about Aliens! are positing basically the same conspiracy: that this is a deliberate psyop run by a "nation state" and not just... people being wrong about stuff? Why go through the trouble to refute one unlikely and poorly supported hypothesis just to jump right into a new one? Has Occam taught us nothing? There are no successfully hidden "conspiracies" of…

Because military brass is not supposed to be wrong by going along with such unlikely scenarios. They might as well also believe the fairy god-mother decides the outcome of battles and direct their ire at her. This is The National Enquirer-level stuff.

You mean like being on the board of Theranos?

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Post by asveikau »

mr_toad wrote: post #362
neltnerb wrote: post #349

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I'd also assume this is just a psyop, though more in the more general propaganda sense. You want other countries to both overestimate and underestimate you. If other countries think there's a serious possibility that the US has alien technology then they'll be extra cautious. I doubt anyone buys it, personally. But propaganda operations definitely have unintended consequences, I'd personally guess that experiments on…

What is it about the US that makes aliens always crash land there? It’s not even the biggest country by land area. And it’s only a small percentage of the total land area of earth. And while we’re at it, why do aliens always crash land where the number of witnesses is close to one? It almost makes you think that all these phenomena are observer dependent.

That is discussed in TFA. It has a quote that multiple countries probably have evidence.

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Post by ChatGTP »

catchnear4321 wrote: post #524
ChatGTP wrote: post #498

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We've been warned for a while about this type of thing going on. I guess this is it, it's going on, and we can maybe expect it to be amplified with LLMs.

chaos is an opportunity. whether the original signal was generated by little grey men or at the behest of old white ones, there will be amplification by opportunists.

I wasn't clear but I meant the misinformation, I guess you are too? :)

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by asveikau »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop

Is it me or is the internet really quick to reach this conclusion? It's definitely not the simplest one you can make.

"The US government" can hardly pass a budget but is somehow presumed to be super competent at psyops and/or concealing evidence of aliens.

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Post by tus666 »

ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

If aliens were here they would have something better to do than buzz navy pilots off the west coast and then crash.

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Post by krapp »

smeej wrote: post #530
ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

What evidence do we have that they traveled faster than light rather than, say, leaving a very, very, very long time ago? Or launching something in our direction, in hopes of generations surviving, but they didn't manage to, so there's nobody on board anymore? Or why couldn't they just have significantly misidentified what it would take to navigate in our atmosphere and have sent a ship that wasn't prepared, and didn…

>What evidence do we have that they traveled faster than light rather than, say, leaving a very, very, very long time ago?

We would see a generation ship coming. It would be big, it would give off waste heat, it would probably have to stay in orbit, if we're assuming it follows physics we're familiar with, it would have to use chemical or nuclear rocket propulsion, dump waste and need constant refueling and maintenance.

So either they have warp drives and magical tech bullshit or they don't exist. Those are the two options.

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Post by marcusverus »

ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

You can attribute those achievements to entire species, but entire species do not drive vehicles--individuals do. Imagine a species with a mean IQ of 150. If such a species had a IQ distribution similar to ours, around ~2% of them would be as dumb as the average human, with almost half of them being dumber than a human 'genius'--and we don't expect human geniuses to be infallible!
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