Aliens have never crashed here. Aliens have never even visited our solar system. The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.
If you look at all the crazy coincidences that were required for life to develop on Earth, it starts to make sense that we're alone. Single star in the system, need a big Jupiter to block space rocks, our target is a rocky planet close to star, but needs to be hit by an abnormally large moon right as the lithosphere is cooling, ripping out 1/3rd of it so that the planet can have giant continents barely covered with w…
US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
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"The DoD isn’t known for their public relations" https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43168/top-gun-2s-exten... The DoD got Tom Cruise to pay them to make a 2hr 10m ad, and then audiences paid $1.5bn at the box office to watch it. The DoD is amazing at PR.
Stargate was a commercial for the Air Force in episodic form.
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Not really, most great tech originates in the US. China etc are good at copying. I know that’s an unfashionable statement, but let’s do away with this false modesty for once Btw I’m not from the US.
The US can't even manufacture an iPhone if they wanted to. The world's tech comes out of East Asia.
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the US military have been caught off guard several times with newer tech, showing that they’re actually well behind the curve. I don’t think there’s much evidence that they have any advanced tech.
They probably both have advanced technology and are caught off guard by other peoples' advanced technology. With China we are already back in a multipolar world.
A lot of them are still fighting the Soviets
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The most advanced tech and research, as an overall, would be trivial for an advanced alien to decide. And the US has been leading in those categories for 80 years at least. The notion that it's impossible to figure out whether an advanced alien would think Afghanistan or the US have more advanced tech/research/science, is absurd. And if you can make that distinction, you can keep going.
For a species advanced enough for trivially navigating the universe, the difference between the US and Afghanistan would be trivial. If they are more in the individuality side of thing (in contrast to hive mind), the dumbest of their lot would probably be smarter than the smartest person we can find here, probably looking at us the way we look at other intelligent species. To measure us, would they look at the capaci…
I feel like people in this thread don't watch enough Science Fiction. There are LOTS of situations where a species could trivially navigate the universe (Someone stole the technology and ran away with it, the people who invented the technology died a million years ago, they were gifted the technology by a superior race, or it was discovered by accident). Lots of possibilities out there.
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#328I'm trying to think of any sci-fi stories where the aliens are lost tourists or similar. They are usually presumed to be scientists or government representatives checking out Earth and/or humankind. Maybe ET? -- I don't think that's explained? It's been a lot of years since I saw it. The reality is that the government is interested in unexplained phenomenon primarily for security reasons. That statement does not say…
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#329Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.
> the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences How so? The argument for no aliens is lack of evidence, not evidence of their lack.
Things like:
* There have to be enough star systems and planets that could support life. Research here is exploding as we discover more and more exoplanets and are able to gather more detailed information about them. But it's still not clear that it's at all common, and might be breathtakingly uncommon.
* Those star systems and planets that could support life have to actually spawn life. And then they have to spawn intelligent life capable of creating and using tools, and capable of intellectual thought and developing theories and application across physics and engineering. This life needs to be somehow "compatible" with humans, in the sense that it can't be so wildly different that they might not recognize us as intelligent life and vice versa.
* The aliens have to exist "right now". A civilization that existed in the past and fell even a few thousand years ago is not one that we would see. Similarly, a civilization that is, say, 10 thousand years behind us, is not one that we would see.
* These aliens need to actually be interested in the possibility of life outside their own world (or at least interested in generally exploring outside their solar system), and mount a campaign to search the skies and look for us.
* Then the aliens have to have found us. That means that they have been looking in the right spot, at the right time (aliens who live 3000 light years away won't see "us", absent some sci-fi faster-than-light viewing device). Also consider that the amount of effort we've spent to search for alien life could easily be insufficient to find any, even if life turns out to be somewhat common in our galaxy.
* The aliens have to have figured out interstellar travel. Our current understanding of physics suggests that this is Very Hard. Assuming our current understanding of physics is correct, it will be expensive and difficult for these aliens to come visit us. Even assuming we don't have the whole picture when it comes to physics (almost certainly true), that would seem to increase the barrier, not reduce it.
* Even if aliens do manage to find and reach us, they have to either a) want to be seen, or b) screw up and be seen by accident. If they want to be seen, then presumably they'd have done a better job of it (despite various Earth governments trying to hide it) and detailed knowledge of alien life would be common. If they don't want to be seen, then a -- perhaps unlikely -- accident must occur that reveals themselves to at least some of us (whom the rest of humanity don't really believe).
That's just a taste; there's a lot more you can find if you go down the rabbit hole. All of this has to work out for it to be the case that aliens have visited our world. If we assume that each of these events is fairly improbable on their own, than the probability of all of it happening is pretty tiny. Even if we assign decent odds to many of these things, the probability of all of them being true is still fairly low. Doesn't mean it definitively hasn't happened, but probability it usually pretty suggestive.
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#330I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…
> All of this stuff reeks of some kind pf psyop. In this case, I agree. I usually try to avoid conspiratorial thinking and conspiracy theories, but the DoD and related agencies have been putting out all kinds of information about UFOs in the past few years. My question is: why? The DoD isn’t known for their public relations. My best speculative guess is that they’re claiming they’ve found alien craft and exotic alien…
This is just sad. I'll lay this on you, yes there is a classified crash
retrieval program, it's a SAP. It is about retrieving crashed UAVs from
adversarial countries and has nothing to do with aliens. Don't be a sucker
folks.
https://twitter.com/JackMurphyRGR/status/1665884263865110529