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It's not cheaper here. The moment it is I'll switch to oat milk. I think it tastes better.
Oat milk has no lactoferrin, a powerful anti-viral/bacterial/fungal compound in milk, so you are going to eliminate a significant immunity boost.
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Milk was heavily subsidized and the prices were pushed to a point where all but the largest scale producers were making losses (~30 cents per liter) where I live whereas the price of plant based milk used to have a huge novely / vegan markup that wasn't based in production cost. The cost of plant based milk is not exactly much less than dairy now, but it is actually cheaper if you go by discount brand prices. That so…
Which animal harm do you mean by having cows for milk? Its easy to buy bio milk which comes from free grazing cows, the cost of it is almost the same as basic milk where I live. I can tell you from my daily personal experience those are some of the happiest non-wild animals you can meet in person. I mean if we move away from it, yes technically there will be 0 harm possible because we will have to kill all the diary…
Even milk that's specifically sold as being from free grazing animals in actual fact only requires them to be on a pasture 6h a day for 120 days a year.
https://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/wissen/lebensmittel/leben...
Far from being easy and cheap, I think in Europe it's close to impossible to buy milk from cows that are predominantly free grazing. Even though, from what I can tell, cows are perfectly capable of being outside year round in most of the continent.
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> As much as I would like to avoid the kinds of Nestle, it's just impossible in practice for many of us. how so?
Well, for one, it requires remembering every brand present on this infographic: https://wyomingllcattorney.com/static/img/nestle-list.png
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Lower stature and bone density is evidence of dangerous malnutrition. Those with lower bone density in particular are at far higher risk of osteoporosis. I'm not sure how you could claim that isn't evidence of potential danger.
You have it backwards. Malnutrition can lead to impaired growth and lower bone density. But that doesn't automatically mean that lower bone density and lower stature is evidence of malnutrition. For all we know the measured difference between test and control was much smaller than the standard deviation. Also the list you posted contains substances that our body produces ourselves so we don't need to get these from f…
Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…
What about almond milk?
Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…
I also wonder who really gets confused at the supermarket seeing plant milk and cow milk and mistakenly buying one for the other… How can you be “mislead” when even a 6yo knows that cow milk cannot possibly come from plants, or that a vegan burger cannot possibly be made out of a dead animal?
Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…
In USA at least, the default options are not good. You have to make most of your own meals or be selectively eat at "healthy" restaurants if you want to be healthy. Otherwise you'll be overweight or skinny-fat.
I think Europeans have much better default options than Americans and can see how veganism may not net the same benefits as it would in the states. I've been vegetarian for 10+ years. The lack of options in USA has actually made me healthier as I have to prepare my own food more often, but I know some unhealthy vegans who just don't cook.
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> Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. >... > I know all this because I’ve been vegan for 5+ years and i had to study a lot to >... > The processed products on the market are not good for you. You appear to have a bias and are proclaiming that everyone will soon align with your bias. I've been vegan for over 13 years and eat a ton of pr…
> eat a ton of processed vegan foods, a lot of oil All you're convincing me of here is that it's easy for a typical vegan diet to be incredibly unhealthy.
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Lots of people eat these products without being vegan or vegetarian.
Don’t know why you’d eat the fake versions if you could have the real ones.
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Meat is included in the cheap healthy food (as you said yourself), but once you're so poor you cannot afford even the cheap meats, you won't be able to afford a lot of other healthy things either. Yes cabbages are cheap when in season, but how long will you feel "full" (not hungry) after a cabbage soup compared to eg. pasta or rice?
I know; this is Hacker News, hence a strong knowledge and habit bubble of start-up ramen and food delivery cuisine, and a lack of knowledge of all the other choices of food that nature provides, and no experiences in the kitchen besides microwave. Vegan people must belt down their Kwashiorkor; and no idea how any other society in the world of the long and recent past, as well as the present, could struggle through th…