I wish it was more popular in Asia. Here everyone is crazy about meat, fish, and seafood. As vegetarian it's hard to go to a random place and find even one single non-plain (e.g. not pure rice) dish. The vegan choice outside vegetarian restaurants is pretty limited.
Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
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All the overvalued growth stocks are going down because the supply of easy money dried up. The massive rise in BYND share price was always ridiculous. Their products are easy to replicate and companies like Nestlé have way more resources to bring them to market successfully and sustainably, which they're doing now.
Somebody not eating animal products for ethical reasons will not buy anything from Nestle given a choice, for very same reasons. And yes, we who avoid Nestle pay more for alternatives, but if you know their business practices there's no moral choice.
I respectfully disagree. As much as I would like to avoid the kinds of Nestle, it's just impossible in practice for many of us. Instead, I try to find comfort in the fact that animal replacements are becoming cheap and common because of the mega corporations.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#133My guess is that animal meat and milk sales dropped because of price increases, and vegans are usually rich and upper-middle class people that are not that price sensitive.
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#134...and I was forced to switch to a carnivore diet for elimination purposes as some veggies were wreaking havoc on my body. Not sure getting healthier will be even an option in a few years.
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Jealous that you get a choice. Netherlands here which is actually better for vegan options as a whole than the UK in my experience but never found a corner shop With anything but cow dairy.
> With anything but cow dairy. The Dutch love their cows? Who would have imagined that? :D /s
s/love/torture/. If anything, brutality of dairy produce is hundred times worse than butchering them for meat.
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Milk was heavily subsidized and the prices were pushed to a point where all but the largest scale producers were making losses (~30 cents per liter) where I live whereas the price of plant based milk used to have a huge novely / vegan markup that wasn't based in production cost. The cost of plant based milk is not exactly much less than dairy now, but it is actually cheaper if you go by discount brand prices. That so…
It's not cheaper here. The moment it is I'll switch to oat milk. I think it tastes better.
Oat milk has no lactoferrin, a powerful anti-viral/bacterial/fungal compound in milk, so you are going to eliminate a significant immunity boost.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#137Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…
> Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms.
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> I know all this because I’ve been vegan for 5+ years and i had to study a lot to
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> The processed products on the market are not good for you.
You appear to have a bias and are proclaiming that everyone will soon align with your bias.
I've been vegan for over 13 years and eat a ton of processed vegan foods, a lot of oil, and don't have a ton of fresh fruits of vegetables. Clearly my diet isn't as healthy as yours, but it's close to the typical American diet.
My latest checkup and blood test show that all of my key health indicators are in the middle of the healthy range and my organs are all working as expected.
It's unlikely that, in general, people will notice some nutritional deficit from eating plant-based mock meat and dairy products and stop purchasing them.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
The headline seems to be mixing two trends in food randomly. The drop in meat & milk is likely independent of vegan trends - the $ figures are different orders of magnitude. This isn't substitution at all, so there is no reason to think they are interacting. Europe is probably being hit by some sort of hardship right now meaning people can't eat as well as usual. The UK seems to be being hit by an energy crisis for e…
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Healthy alternatives like instant ramen? If a significant nuber of people can't afford meat any more, that's not a tiny difference in purchasing power (that can be mitigated by some fewer luxuries), but they basically became "very poor" now, and poor people will choose calorie rich food, which mostly isn't healthy at all.. just compare price per calorie for pasta/rice/(ramen)... vs peppers, broccoli, eggplant, etc.
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#139>> The Good Food Institute Europe (GFI Europe) reports that sales of plant-based foods across 13 European nations amounted to €5.7 billion in 2022. The good food institude is the lobbying arm of the lab grown protein companies. >> ...a Y Combinator funded non-profit that promotes plant- and cultivated meat alternatives to conventional animal meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Friedrich Also look at stocks at th…
Good points until you showed obvious bias with the "fake food" comment.
Dismissing a point due to bias is an example of the ad hominem fallacy.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#140Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…
I know very few people (vegan or otherwise) who actually like vegan cheese. Most prefer to skip cheese if they’re eating vegan.
I have had good luck with the Follow Your Heart brand "American Singles" and "Provalone" flavors from Sprouts. They melt well enough in a hot sandwich. They are terrible cold.
I'll always prefer real cheese(the more pungent the better), but my digestive system does not.