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Lots of people eat these products without being vegan or vegetarian.
Don’t know why you’d eat the fake versions if you could have the real ones.
Some people prefer the taste of the 'fake' versions.
Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#122> vegan meat products saw a 21 percent increase in unit sales from 2020 to 2022 > During the same period, animal-based meat and milk sales dropped by eight and nine percent, respectively There are likely additional factors at play in the animal based drop UK ONS shows whole milk at low of 43p/l in 2020 increasing to 70p/l in Mar 23 and minced beef from 609p/kg to 812p/kg in 23 -- but those numbers likely do not refle…
Milk was heavily subsidized and the prices were pushed to a point where all but the largest scale producers were making losses (~30 cents per liter) where I live whereas the price of plant based milk used to have a huge novely / vegan markup that wasn't based in production cost. The cost of plant based milk is not exactly much less than dairy now, but it is actually cheaper if you go by discount brand prices. That so…
It's not cheaper here. The moment it is I'll switch to oat milk. I think it tastes better.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#123Vegans of HN: What do you supplement and why? Personally, I supplement VitaminD3 and Iron. And I make sure to eat salad, carrots and avocado every day. I came up with this regime after getting my blood work done and after exactly tracking all my nutritional values for a while and comparing those to the suggested amounts. I also have a long running project in the "statistics of one" space, where I track a lot of treat…
I'm taking the VEG 1 supplements (https://www.vegansociety.com/shop/veg-1-supplements) as I believe they essentially cover everything I need to worry about on that front (I hope it does).
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#124Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…
What about almond milk?
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
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Here in the UK, plant based milks are typically more expensive than cow’s milk, particularly if you go for the well-known brands (Alpro, Oatly, etc) Typically in a corner shop you’re paying around £2 for 1 litre of plant milk, compared to £1.25 for 2 pints (1.13L) of cow’s milk. That doesn’t seem to have dampened demand for plant milks, however!
Is this just a London thing or can you actually get alternatives as easily in other parts of the country?
You can get them everywhere. All the mainstream supermarkets sell them. In London you might well have a choice between 10 different plant based milks.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#126There's no doubt there are more vegans and vegan alternatives, but this does not seem like an unbiased news source to paint an accurate picture of what's actually going on. There are lots of factors at play, including the economy, energy prices and general price increases on food, or really almost everything.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#127Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…
I know very few people (vegan or otherwise) who actually like vegan cheese. Most prefer to skip cheese if they’re eating vegan.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here in the UK, plant based milks are typically more expensive than cow’s milk, particularly if you go for the well-known brands (Alpro, Oatly, etc) Typically in a corner shop you’re paying around £2 for 1 litre of plant milk, compared to £1.25 for 2 pints (1.13L) of cow’s milk. That doesn’t seem to have dampened demand for plant milks, however!
Jealous that you get a choice. Netherlands here which is actually better for vegan options as a whole than the UK in my experience but never found a corner shop With anything but cow dairy.
> With anything but cow dairy.
The Dutch love their cows? Who would have imagined that? :D
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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here in the UK, plant based milks are typically more expensive than cow’s milk, particularly if you go for the well-known brands (Alpro, Oatly, etc) Typically in a corner shop you’re paying around £2 for 1 litre of plant milk, compared to £1.25 for 2 pints (1.13L) of cow’s milk. That doesn’t seem to have dampened demand for plant milks, however!
Is this just a London thing or can you actually get alternatives as easily in other parts of the country?
Everywhere, and also a large selection of fake meat and other vegan stuff in big supermarkets. UK is great for this
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#130Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…
Lots of people eat these products without being vegan or vegetarian.
Exactly. Raises hand I try to eat animal products less for countless reasons that I really hope are obvious, but I still eat them even if I don't feel good about it. Btw I don't cook.
Don't want my coffee black? Alt milk. If it's as good as water, great--water won't kill me. Want to eat a substantial meal but all that's sold here is some impossible(tm) concoction? I'll eat that thing if it's meal time.
I may eat fish or even meat some other time and I try with various success to maintain a diverse diet anyway (beans etc.) so I reckon I might get the nutrients I need, that's not a problem.
I agree it might hurt someone who naively tries to go vegan just eating these things, but they are not a threat for people like me (probably more of those than full vegans).