The market for those « alternatives » can be seen as a helper to change habits but not as a nutrition target. I’m an absolute sausage addict and some vegetal ersatz helps me when I crave for a barbecue, meanwhile taking new recipes habits that are nutritious enough for usual meals.
Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#82Vegans of HN: What do you supplement and why? Personally, I supplement VitaminD3 and Iron. And I make sure to eat salad, carrots and avocado every day. I came up with this regime after getting my blood work done and after exactly tracking all my nutritional values for a while and comparing those to the suggested amounts. I also have a long running project in the "statistics of one" space, where I track a lot of treat…
B12 is the most important one. I've started getting some strange "tingling" in my arms a while ago, went to the neurologist, got a prescription for a higher dosage B12 and it went away. I was supplementing B12 already, but it wasn't regular.
Some other supplements:
- D3 (complemented with a "SAD Lamp" [0] in winter, can recommend)
- Omega 3-6-9
- Magnesium + B6 (helps reduce cramps during/after heavy training sessions)
- Vitamin C + Zinc when feeling that my immune system needs a boost (after traveling/flights)
https://examine.com/ is useful to get a quick look at the aggregated/summarized research for supplements.
[0] Random link with some explanation: https://psychcentral.com/reviews/sad-lamp
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#83Sure, when you are priced out of meat and fish, you are turning to vegan options. I expect a similar headline in a few years (from bugbasednews): "Vegan Food Sales Drop in Europe as Insect Versions Hit Record Hight"
In Europe -- at least in Czechia and Germany, where I've spent some time recently -- Vegan options are often higher-priced than the foods they're substituting for. Vegan cheese is more expensive, often considerably more expensive, than regular cheese from a deli or from Lidl. Vegan cafes, which have noticeably grown in popularity, are no less expensive than regular cafes. ...There are also a lot of "Loving Hut" resta…
One thing I noticed recently is that these vegan alternatives are actually cheaper than quality meat options.
Even branded, imported, US grown alternative burgers are cheaper in the super market than a proper organic meat burger from the area.
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#84the poor people in Europe will be screwed, as usual, if these fake meat companies continue to push their agenda… just look at the electric car crap.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#85Sure, when you are priced out of meat and fish, you are turning to vegan options. I expect a similar headline in a few years (from bugbasednews): "Vegan Food Sales Drop in Europe as Insect Versions Hit Record Hight"
In Europe -- at least in Czechia and Germany, where I've spent some time recently -- Vegan options are often higher-priced than the foods they're substituting for. Vegan cheese is more expensive, often considerably more expensive, than regular cheese from a deli or from Lidl. Vegan cafes, which have noticeably grown in popularity, are no less expensive than regular cafes. ...There are also a lot of "Loving Hut" resta…
Speaking from Germany, the perceived price offset between vegan options it’s more or less 10-15%.
I would not state that is a cult ‘cause there’s a lot of people with genuine good intentions; but I would not believe 100% in all vegan options since the traceability regulations are not clear and those certification bodies lacks certain transparency regarding of its criterias versus government regulations.
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#86Correlation is not causation. As a European myself here is another correlation that probably has a lot more to do with the fact that people in Europe are not buying as much high quality food: After the politicians printed so much money in order to pay for COVID costs, general inflation has accumulated to 18% or so, split in two years of 8-9%. Basic food after Ukraine disruption of cereal and oils and increment in ene…
> Correlation is not causation. As a European myself here is another correlation that probably has a lot more to do with the fact that people in Europe are not buying as much high quality food […] After the politicians printed so much money in order to pay for COVID costs, general inflation has accumulated to 18% or so, split in two years of 8-9%. It's a nice theory and it would be very believable, if the trend to ea…
Could you share the data for this please?
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#87Weird anecdote, in my circle, everyone hates vegan “meat” yet everybody is also reducing meat consumption.
I don't think it's super weird. I'm lowering my meat consumption by eating more non-meat, and I'm not particularly interested in things that try to fake being meat, when I do eat I prefer meat, not something pretending to be meat. Lots of vegan friends in my circle also complains about companies doing fake meat instead of doing better products not trying to imitate meat.
IMO it's a lost market. An actual vegan, or generally someone that cares about their diet and products they use deeply, doesn't need any food innovations. What we/they need is access to affordable quality products to make our own meals with.
There is no real market here except you are a innovative farmer.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#88> vegan meat products saw a 21 percent increase in unit sales from 2020 to 2022 > During the same period, animal-based meat and milk sales dropped by eight and nine percent, respectively There are likely additional factors at play in the animal based drop UK ONS shows whole milk at low of 43p/l in 2020 increasing to 70p/l in Mar 23 and minced beef from 609p/kg to 812p/kg in 23 -- but those numbers likely do not refle…
Milk was heavily subsidized and the prices were pushed to a point where all but the largest scale producers were making losses (~30 cents per liter) where I live whereas the price of plant based milk used to have a huge novely / vegan markup that wasn't based in production cost. The cost of plant based milk is not exactly much less than dairy now, but it is actually cheaper if you go by discount brand prices.
That so many people don't mind switching with so little monetary incentive is great, that's a lot of animal harm prevented.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> overly fatty or salty food Hard to understand one can promote cheese versus « vegan cheese » for nutritional reasons ! The vegan cheese may contain very few nutriments while the vast majority of our « real » cheeses are absolute disasters.
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but there can be nutritional benefits hiding in certain cheeses. Vitamin K2 can be tricky to find in plant sources - natto being the only one I can think of and it's tricky to find here in the UK. Roquefort has been hailed as the important part of the "French paradox" (French cardiovascular health tends to be much better than their high fat diet would suggest). I do like my f…
Thanks, didn’t know the k2 can be sourced in kimchi ! Totally agree with not throwing the baby with the water. As for most poisons, just a bit has a good effect, think red wine.
Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs
#90> vegan meat products saw a 21 percent increase in unit sales from 2020 to 2022 > During the same period, animal-based meat and milk sales dropped by eight and nine percent, respectively There are likely additional factors at play in the animal based drop UK ONS shows whole milk at low of 43p/l in 2020 increasing to 70p/l in Mar 23 and minced beef from 609p/kg to 812p/kg in 23 -- but those numbers likely do not refle…
The headline seems to be mixing two trends in food randomly. The drop in meat & milk is likely independent of vegan trends - the $ figures are different orders of magnitude. This isn't substitution at all, so there is no reason to think they are interacting.
Europe is probably being hit by some sort of hardship right now meaning people can't eat as well as usual. The UK seems to be being hit by an energy crisis for example, although they also seem to be having a much worse time of it than mainland Europe. Per capita figures are lower than China and it might drop below the global average in a decade if the current trend keeps up.