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Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by kelipso »

PretzelPirate wrote: post #137
xk_id wrote: post #41

Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. Then plant based diets will become stigmatised. The trend in plant foods to label them with names for animal products is very misleading when the nutritional profiles have absolutely nothing in common. Oat “milk” is basically flavoured water; soy “milk” has a little bit of nutrients in it, but it’s n…

> Probably going to be short lasted, as the nutritional deficiencies caused by those products start to produce symptoms. >... > I know all this because I’ve been vegan for 5+ years and i had to study a lot to >... > The processed products on the market are not good for you. You appear to have a bias and are proclaiming that everyone will soon align with your bias. I've been vegan for over 13 years and eat a ton of pr…

> eat a ton of processed vegan foods, a lot of oil

All you're convincing me of here is that it's easy for a typical vegan diet to be incredibly unhealthy.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by [deleted] »

xvilka wrote: post #135
diego_moita wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With anything but cow dairy. The Dutch love their cows? Who would have imagined that? :D /s

s/love/torture/. If anything, brutality of dairy produce is hundred times worse than butchering them for meat.

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Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by hammyhavoc »

smeagull wrote: post #122
_cenw wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Milk was heavily subsidized and the prices were pushed to a point where all but the largest scale producers were making losses (~30 cents per liter) where I live whereas the price of plant based milk used to have a huge novely / vegan markup that wasn't based in production cost. The cost of plant based milk is not exactly much less than dairy now, but it is actually cheaper if you go by discount brand prices. That so…

It's not cheaper here. The moment it is I'll switch to oat milk. I think it tastes better.

Make your own. It's easy and cheaper than dairy. Takes minutes. Not drank dairy in five years, never miss it. Guests never tell that they been given oat milk and usually convert to drinking and/or making their own oat milk immediately following the experience.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by concordDance »

xvilka wrote: post #135
diego_moita wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With anything but cow dairy. The Dutch love their cows? Who would have imagined that? :D /s

s/love/torture/. If anything, brutality of dairy produce is hundred times worse than butchering them for meat.

End result of selective pressures on cow farmers. Humane treatment would raise the cost by like 20%, but the inhumane treatment readily visible to the buyer while the price is.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by oh_sigh »

kitkat_new wrote: post #159
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #132

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I respectfully disagree. As much as I would like to avoid the kinds of Nestle, it's just impossible in practice for many of us. Instead, I try to find comfort in the fact that animal replacements are becoming cheap and common because of the mega corporations.

> As much as I would like to avoid the kinds of Nestle, it's just impossible in practice for many of us. how so?

Well, for one, it requires remembering every brand present on this infographic:

https://wyomingllcattorney.com/static/img/nestle-list.png

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by hammyhavoc »

opan wrote: post #95
mg wrote: post #13

Vegans of HN: What do you supplement and why? Personally, I supplement VitaminD3 and Iron. And I make sure to eat salad, carrots and avocado every day. I came up with this regime after getting my blood work done and after exactly tracking all my nutritional values for a while and comparing those to the suggested amounts. I also have a long running project in the "statistics of one" space, where I track a lot of treat…

I thought D3 was the non-vegan one and D2 was vegan. edit: Double-checked, D2 is always vegan, D3 can be vegan but isn't always. My almond milk has some vitamin D, and I have nooch fairly often which is very full of B12. I don't take any pills/gummies currently.

Had never heard of or seen Nooch before. Going to try that. Great shout.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by danielbln »

saiya-jin wrote: post #143
_cenw wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Milk was heavily subsidized and the prices were pushed to a point where all but the largest scale producers were making losses (~30 cents per liter) where I live whereas the price of plant based milk used to have a huge novely / vegan markup that wasn't based in production cost. The cost of plant based milk is not exactly much less than dairy now, but it is actually cheaper if you go by discount brand prices. That so…

Which animal harm do you mean by having cows for milk? Its easy to buy bio milk which comes from free grazing cows, the cost of it is almost the same as basic milk where I live. I can tell you from my daily personal experience those are some of the happiest non-wild animals you can meet in person. I mean if we move away from it, yes technically there will be 0 harm possible because we will have to kill all the diary…

> its not equivalent nor replacement in ie nutrition nor taste

Speak for yourself, it might not have the same nutritional value (but also not the same amount of hormones and/or antibiotics), but there are a few oat based milks (e.g. Alpro This Is Not Milk) that have almost the same mouth feel as cow milk (personally, I find that too fatty and prefer the non-fatty tasting oat milk).

> Its easy to buy bio milk which comes from free grazing cows

Uh huh, and how many people are doing that, especially close to the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder? There are plenty of plant based milk with a hefty trend markup, but least here in Germany the discount supermarkets have plenty of cheap plant based milk that is the same price as cow milk, and you don't have to squeeze milk from an animal for that.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by danielbln »

bitL wrote: post #136
smeagull wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not cheaper here. The moment it is I'll switch to oat milk. I think it tastes better.

Oat milk has no lactoferrin, a powerful anti-viral/bacterial/fungal compound in milk, so you are going to eliminate a significant immunity boost.

You can supplement with lactoferrin if you so choose, and on the flip side oat milk doesn't contain any hormones, antibiotics or pus, all of which can slip into cow milk.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by wkat4242 »

Interesting, I notice that dairy is indeed very unpopular here in Spain and milk from other sources is rising greatly. Like soy and oat milk.

I don't really like dairy at all so I'm not really interested in vegan alternatives either.

But meat is still very big on the map and vegan/vegetarian options are nowehere as common as they are in the Netherlands.

Re: Animal meat and milk sales drop in Europe as vegan versions hit record highs

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Post by hammyhavoc »

xvilka wrote: post #131

I wish it was more popular in Asia. Here everyone is crazy about meat, fish, and seafood. As vegetarian it's hard to go to a random place and find even one single non-plain (e.g. not pure rice) dish. The vegan choice outside vegetarian restaurants is pretty limited.

Where in Asia do you live? Just curious more than anything.
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