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Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by reaperducer »

rgovostes wrote: post #257
assttoasstmgr wrote: post #248

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You may find other things Apple does user hostile, but they are genuinely pretty good about supporting old devices. I'm pretty sure you can even still sync original iPods on Macs released 20 years later. The iCloud compatibility page linked above shows that it still supports devices released 13 years ago. The latest iOS is compatible with devices from 2017, and regular security updates are released for devices going…

I'm pretty sure you can even still sync original iPods on Macs released 20 years later.

Can't say about 20 years, but I synced both of my 17-year-old iPods to my M1 Mac over the weekend.

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Post by makeitdouble »

chadlavi wrote: post #210
makeitdouble wrote: post #155

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> I am curious why someone with no other apple devices would buy what I consider to be a secondary apple accessory. I might be the weird one, but a device you stick to your TV to watch contents doesn't feel like an accessory to me. The market competitors are roku, fire TV, Google TV(is it still called that ?), and plex boxes. Playstation and XBox would be a stretch, but there's overlap. None of them will force you to…

That's what I mean I guess: the only reason to get the apple one is as part of their ecosystem. It's surprising to me to see someone who seems to be choosing it for the UX.

Each of these devices have their own flaws, and I'm not sure how well they deal with Apple exclusives (Ted Lasso etc.).

I think Apple made an effort to have apps on other platforms, but there will also be content providers that are only in the TV AppStore. Also, Amazon will have its content everywhere, and I don't remember any Google exclusives.

All in all, I wouldn't be surprised if TV buffs chose the Apple TV as their gateway to exclusive content, even if they have no other devices in the ecosystem.

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Post by markmark »

tpmoney wrote: post #251
markmark wrote: post #159

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It's so annoying that this isn't just a page on family.apple.com or whatever like Google does with familylink.google.com.

It literally is though. The link "Learn more about Parental Controls" takes you here https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201304 which walks you through doing all the setup.

That walks me through doing things on an iPhone I don't own, what am I missing? The familylink.google.com page lets me manage my kids' devices directly on that webpage, which is the feature I would like Apple to have.

People have said you can manage it on the kids' device directly by logging in with your AppleId, but that doesn't help me if my kid is out and messages me asking me to allow an app or give her an extra half hour of screentime or something.

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Post by JadeNB »

sircastor wrote: post #166
robbomacrae wrote: post #46

Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

I would be more concerned about this if the competition in this space was not so disappointing this far. I think there are good smartwatches in the Android space, but none of them are great, and none of them have challenged the Apple Watch in terms of feature set and quality. And Apple hasn’t sat on its laurels here. They keep making the watch a more desirable device. To me, it seems like they know they can get peopl…

> I would be more concerned about this if the competition in this space was not so disappointing this far.

Why does less competition make you less concerned about anti-competitive behavior? Such behavior is never good, but it's self-correcting in a market with lots of choice, and not so in a market where there's only one great option (a judgment for which I have to take your word—a Casio F-91W is the right level of watch technology for me).

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Post by acodesmith »

kobayashi wrote: post #173
acodesmith wrote: post #112

Log in to your Apple account in a browser and accepts the terms. Log out of the tv and log back in. Same thing happened to me. The original poster is mistaken.

The OP said that would not work. https://twitter.com/hugelgupf/status/1614843798928109569

I logged out of the AppleTV and logged back in. When I did that I was prompted to accepts the terms.

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Post by shagie »

jeroenhd wrote: post #180
shagie wrote: post #130

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The "Find my" is tied to the Apple ID account. That's part of how the end to end security works ( https://support.apple.com/guide/security/find-my-security-se... /// https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/06/the-c... /// https://web.archive.org/web/20190609003010/https://www.wired... ) and yet allows the owner of the account to unlock the "where is it" pieces of information. It is through the iPhone that…

It's unfortunate that Apple can't figure out how to enable the algorithm they designed themselves on Android devices so the second device doesn't need to be an iPhone. I'm sure those smart engineers will figure out their own protocol choices some day if we just give them enough time.

The issue is likely one of "how do you ensure the security of the other device?"

With Apple devices and the Secure Enclave ( https://support.apple.com/guide/security/secure-enclave-sec5... ), even Apple doesn't have the back doors to open it up and retrieve the keys from an arbitrary device.

If you had a third party android device that made it, if those eyes were compromised you would have passive tracking of that individual. Consider that for a dissident in an authoritarian country.

It's not a "can Apple design a protocol that does that?" but rather "if the device was compromised what would be the implications?"

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Post by selectodude »

markmark wrote: post #263
tpmoney wrote: post #251

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It literally is though. The link "Learn more about Parental Controls" takes you here https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201304 which walks you through doing all the setup.

That walks me through doing things on an iPhone I don't own, what am I missing? The familylink.google.com page lets me manage my kids' devices directly on that webpage, which is the feature I would like Apple to have. People have said you can manage it on the kids' device directly by logging in with your AppleId, but that doesn't help me if my kid is out and messages me asking me to allow an app or give her an extra…

You do it on the iOS device you’re trying to set screen time limits on. If you don’t own an iOS device, you’re not going to be setting limitations on an iOS device.

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Post by markmark »

selectodude wrote: post #267
markmark wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That walks me through doing things on an iPhone I don't own, what am I missing? The familylink.google.com page lets me manage my kids' devices directly on that webpage, which is the feature I would like Apple to have. People have said you can manage it on the kids' device directly by logging in with your AppleId, but that doesn't help me if my kid is out and messages me asking me to allow an app or give her an extra…

You do it on the iOS device you’re trying to set screen time limits on. If you don’t own an iOS device, you’re not going to be setting limitations on an iOS device.

Right, that was the point of the parent comment that started this, I wish there was a web app to do this like Google has. And someone replied saying there is, and linking to instructions on how to use an iOS device, which is exactly not what the original comment was about.

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Post by shagie »

tails4e wrote: post #189

This kind of policy is why I refuse to buy apple. My 14yr old daughter has an iPhone and I cannot administer it as a parent without owning an iPhone or similar device myself. A basic Web UI is all that's needed to access the screen time settings, but nope. It's clearly by design, you're either all in with them, or they dont want you.

If you could administer it from the phone, it would be possible for an enterprising child to remove those same restrictions on that device (how many stories have we heard of kids removing the parental control software from a computer?)

If you could administer it from the phone, it could be used to partially lock you out of your own device if done by a 3rd party (loan to a friend, and you get it back and you can't use any of the other things on it).

If you could administer it from the web, someone else on the web could use it to lock your out of your own device.

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Having one device owned by the parent managing another device owned by the child ensures that only the parent is managing the child's device and furthermore that only a set of devices that have been set up under the same Apple ID family can be administered.

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Post by aendruk »

fbdab103 wrote: post #179

Related - is there a way I can download pictures from an Iphone to a Linux computer locally? Not interested in using any form of cloud intermediary. Evidently, if I plug a cable from an Iphone into a computer, enter my password, this still represents a threat if it is not overseen by iTunes. The device is in my hand, connected to the intended destination, and it is non-trivial to retrieve my data. Just absurd behavio…

Yep it’s absurd. Similar issue with transferring music to the device; I can drop MP3s on it but the music player is oblivious to them.

For photos I ended up scheduling a nightly SMB push to my NAS via a third-party app named PhotoSync.

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