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Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by _rs »

Retric wrote: post #91
yamtaddle wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing's replacing the Smartphone unless it's got a camera in the same ballpark of quality and usability. Several use cases for a smartphone—including a couple major ones—don't really work with a watch, mostly for camera-related reasons. If it's not good as a camera, it's also not good as a scanner replacement, not good for remote check deposit, not good for things like the Measure app (or any other AR stuff), and s…

I don’t think either can do it alone, but Watch + [ AR glasses or tablet + earbuds ] could more directly replace a smartphone.

This is likely, but I'm willing to bet any Apple AR device will require an iPhone for the foreseeable future too though

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by yamtaddle »

eternityforest wrote: post #124
yamtaddle wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, AR glasses are what will actually be the Next Smartphone, as far as rapidly attaining ubiquity. If they can fix the bulkiness and battery life issues, anyway. And sure, decent chance that'll involve tethering the glasses to some kind of watch where the actual brains and long-range radios live. Or to a smartphone or tablet that you can leave in a pocket or bag all the time (why wear a watch when the AR glasses c…

But won't people feel uncomfortable being seen with AR glasses, at least for the next few years? They would have to be completely transparent, no impediment to eye contact, very small and fashionable, and so incredibly useful people would be willing to deal with any judgemental glares they got.

Smartphones drew the same judgmental glares for a few years. If you were holding them up to use them, people'd think you were recording and would be irritated or upset. If you were recording, they're really be unhappy with you. People talking on or looking at cell phones in public at all were usually coded as "asshole" in basically all media in the 90s and 00s, and that pretty much reflected popular opinion.

By the early 20-teens, though, all that was just normal and everyone was doing it.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by actually_a_dog »

yamtaddle wrote: post #80
robbomacrae wrote: post #46

Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

Nothing's replacing the Smartphone unless it's got a camera in the same ballpark of quality and usability. Several use cases for a smartphone—including a couple major ones—don't really work with a watch, mostly for camera-related reasons. If it's not good as a camera, it's also not good as a scanner replacement, not good for remote check deposit, not good for things like the Measure app (or any other AR stuff), and s…

What does any of that have to do with Apple requiring people to have an iPhone to use their watch? Maybe you don't want an iPhone and are satisfied with the functionality of the watch alone. Maybe you have one of the zillions of Android phones out there and don't want an iPhone for that reason. Literally no other smart watch that I know of requires that you have a phone of any kind, so I just don't see any reason for Apple to require it with their watch.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by makeitdouble »

chadlavi wrote: post #53
makeitdouble wrote: post #31

It's interesting how the responses basically split into two camps: - the "just buy an iPhone" and "you've brought it on you, what did you expect" camp - the "Apple fix this" camp At the point I'm reading this, the first camp represents the vast majority of the responses. That's interesting regarding Apple's ongoing lawsuits and regulaory pressure. For most people Apple domination and dictating the rules is basically…

I don't think it's this person's fault or that they should have seen it coming but I am curious why someone with no other apple devices would buy what I consider to be a secondary apple accessory. I just assumed (and I guess apple did too?) that no one who doesn't already have an apple device would buy an Apple TV. If I didn't have apple computers and an iPhone I don't think I would see the benefit over a google tv d…

> I am curious why someone with no other apple devices would buy what I consider to be a secondary apple accessory.

I might be the weird one, but a device you stick to your TV to watch contents doesn't feel like an accessory to me.

The market competitors are roku, fire TV, Google TV(is it still called that ?), and plex boxes. Playstation and XBox would be a stretch, but there's overlap. None of them will force you to get ropped into an ecosystem outside of creating an account and paying for the content.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by jabbany »

TillE wrote: post #119
zikduruqe wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I seldom, if ever, carry my iPhone outside my house. My Apple Watch with cellular is enough for internet connectivity when away from home. In my perfect world, I could provision my Apple Watch as a standalone device, and I could get a MacBook with an eSIM.

> I seldom, if ever, carry my iPhone outside my house. This is such an extreme outlier behavior, nobody is designing products around it. Pretty much everyone who owns a smartphone carries it around everywhere, because why not.

Not OP but I know quite a few people who really do not like to carry their phone around.

I couldn't understand this for the longest time until I asked my sister, who kept handing her phone to me to hold on to while on a family trip, about this one day. Apparently, a lot of women's clothing doesn't have "usable" pockets (they're tiny or fake...)! And with the size of modern phones, it's actually often quite a nuisance to carry around a phone.

While this may not be OP's situation, I would guess this might be one reason for the proliferation of cellular-enabled smart watches...

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by ohyes »

yamtaddle wrote: post #80
robbomacrae wrote: post #46

Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

Nothing's replacing the Smartphone unless it's got a camera in the same ballpark of quality and usability. Several use cases for a smartphone—including a couple major ones—don't really work with a watch, mostly for camera-related reasons. If it's not good as a camera, it's also not good as a scanner replacement, not good for remote check deposit, not good for things like the Measure app (or any other AR stuff), and s…

I don’t use any of those features and the smartphone has become garbage for web browsing so I’m not sure I need one at all.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by layer8 »

robbomacrae wrote: post #46

Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

Apple isn’t interested in that. They want you to “buy in” into their ecosystem wholesale. Making Apple products easier to use independently would also make it easier to leave their ecosystem. They rely on the extra friction caused by combining Apple with non-Apple products.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by markmark »

heresaPizza wrote: post #114
mklepaczewski wrote: post #35

Last time I checked a parent needed their own Apple device to set up app limits, downtime, accept/reject app installation requests on child's device. Thanks Apple. Now I have an option to give my kid unrestricted access to their device and to the whole Internet, or buy another IPhone just because my child uses Apple product.

Actually there are many ways to set parental controls on device and lock them with a passcode or you could use third party solution that use the Screen Time API but are compatible with Android.

It's so annoying that this isn't just a page on family.apple.com or whatever like Google does with familylink.google.com.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by [deleted] »

NLPaep wrote: post #92
tarotuser wrote: post #73

How does this not violate the Sherman Antitrust act under illegal tying of services and goods? > (From Wikipedia) Success on a tying claim typically requires proof of four elements: (1) two separate products or services are involved; (AppleTV and other Apple phone/iPad, as demanded by the tied product in question) (2) the purchase of the tying product is conditioned on the additional purchase of the tied product; (Ye…

The market power is too weak Apple TV market share is below 3%? https://www.statista.com/statistics/1171132/global-connected...

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