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Why would you buy your child an iphone if you don't have one?

Why would you buy your child an Android if you don't have one?

Price, probably. Children are often quick to break fragile things like modern phones. But honestly, in my experience every parent I know buys their kids the same phone they use in terms of the OS.

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Nothing's replacing the Smartphone unless it's got a camera in the same ballpark of quality and usability. Several use cases for a smartphone—including a couple major ones—don't really work with a watch, mostly for camera-related reasons. If it's not good as a camera, it's also not good as a scanner replacement, not good for remote check deposit, not good for things like the Measure app (or any other AR stuff), and s…

But there’s no technical reason a stand-alone watch couldn’t be an option for those who actually want it.

And it indeed exists: PineTime.

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post #91

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I don’t think either can do it alone, but Watch + [ AR glasses or tablet + earbuds ] could more directly replace a smartphone.

Yeah, AR glasses are what will actually be the Next Smartphone, as far as rapidly attaining ubiquity. If they can fix the bulkiness and battery life issues, anyway. And sure, decent chance that'll involve tethering the glasses to some kind of watch where the actual brains and long-range radios live. Or to a smartphone or tablet that you can leave in a pocket or bag all the time (why wear a watch when the AR glasses c…

But won't people feel uncomfortable being seen with AR glasses, at least for the next few years? They would have to be completely transparent, no impediment to eye contact, very small and fashionable, and so incredibly useful people would be willing to deal with any judgemental glares they got.

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post #41

Last time I checked a parent needed their own Apple device to set up app limits, downtime, accept/reject app installation requests on child's device. Thanks Apple. Now I have an option to give my kid unrestricted access to their device and to the whole Internet, or buy another IPhone just because my child uses Apple product.

Or not let your child use an Apple device . That's actually your choice if it's your choice whether/which apps they can install.

Bit hard when its the dad thats non-existant in the kids life buying them a iphone @ 12. Restrict the usage of that and see how well your relationship with your kid holds up.

Had this happen to us, my partners kids. Its a subtle attempt to destabilize and subvert her authority as parent figure even though old mate isn't even around, hasn't been for years and still is an abusive S*t. We got forced to buy a iphone in order to put parent restrictions on. Its shits as. I hate apple. Company does bulk crap that enables abusers and does piss all to prevent it or be like hey...maybe this is a ethically shit thing to implement. Maybe its gonna cause a whole host of people grief. Don't even get me started on apple air tags.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

I agree with your point, except that I think this is a poor example of your point. This is pretty clearly just a poor implementation of this particular user interaction. I have a feeling their legal department decided they needed to send out this terms of service requirement and they didn’t have any decent UI in the Apple TV to let you view and accept terms. This modal is probably the best thing they could throw together on their end. I’ve been an Apple TV user for many years and this is the first time I remember seeing a modal like this pop up out of nowhere.

I don’t think this has anything do with trying to force Apple TV users to have an iPhone. It’s a buggy and annoying user interaction even if you do have an iPhone. For one thing, it seems to require every user on your Apple Family Sharing plan to accept the terms, which means it will show me the modal for my wife’s account when she’s not around. She has an iPhone, but this is still an absurd experience. Also, it’s just clearly buggy and inconsistent. Sometimes I’ll be watching something for an hour and when I go to the home screen it will show three identical modals one after the other.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

#128

Last time I checked a parent needed their own Apple device to set up app limits, downtime, accept/reject app installation requests on child's device. Thanks Apple. Now I have an option to give my kid unrestricted access to their device and to the whole Internet, or buy another IPhone just because my child uses Apple product.

Actually there are many ways to set parental controls on device and lock them with a passcode or you could use third party solution that use the Screen Time API but are compatible with Android.

That's not the impression that has been presented to me. Wording clearly pointed to me needing my own device.

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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post #47

Bonus points for Apple Support chiming in - to address an unrelated issue that another commenter casually mentioned. About the original problem? Not a single word. At least they are sending a clear message... https://twitter.com/AppleSupport/status/1615094275334619136

Well, he did get an Appler asking for a Feedback ID which is more than nothing.

https://twitter.com/DanCUnderwood/status/1614943132340068353

Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

#130
post #4

Apple won't let you use "find my device" on airpods unless you have an iPhone either, iirc. Its shitty behavior, but sadly unsurprising.

The "Find my" is tied to the Apple ID account. That's part of how the end to end security works ( https://support.apple.com/guide/security/find-my-security-se... /// https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/06/the-c... /// https://web.archive.org/web/20190609003010/https://www.wired... ) and yet allows the owner of the account to unlock the "where is it" pieces of information.

It is through the iPhone that the AirPods are bound to the Apple ID and thus able to properly encrypt the "here I am" packets.

From the Wired article:

> In a background phone call with WIRED following its keynote, Apple broke down that privacy element, explaining how its "encrypted and anonymous" system avoids leaking your location data willy nilly, even as your devices broadcast a Bluetooth signal explicitly designed to let you track your device. The solution to that paradox, it turns out, is a trick that requires you to own at least two Apple devices. Each one emits a constantly changing key that nearby Apple devices use to encrypt and upload your geolocation data, such that only the other Apple device you own possesses the key to decrypt those locations.

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> When you first set up Find My on your Apple devices—and Apple confirmed you do need at least two devices for this feature to work—it generates an unguessable private key that's shared on all those devices via end-to-end encrypted communication, so that only those machines possess the key.

And from https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/find-my-wired/

> The stronger privacy comes via end-to-end encryption, but rather than simply having a key that can be stolen, “Find My” requires a second Apple device to hold the decryption key. Owners who only have a single Apple device in their possession will have to settle for the older and less secure methods of verification.

It is possible that AirPods don't support the older encryption method.

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