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California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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The CA government has a budget the size of Finland’s GDP ($250B), if they wanted to fix the housing issue, they could. But not enough people do want it fixed because they are trapped with their real estate investment which they can’t adored to have decrease in value.

San Francisco's budget for homelessness is over 500 million per year. If that isn't enough money to address the problem in one city we clearly need radically different solutions.

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The most virulently racist CA residents I’ve met (meet some interesting people out riding motorcycles) moved to Idaho

do you "recommend" any hilarious biker bars in the SF Bay Area? I only know one and it had a Pabst vending machine in the back. I didn't have a patch or a rider or really any black leather so I never checked it out. Or a motorcycle. Or have ever been on a street legal motorcycle.

Don’t go to biker bars, there’s a couple pullouts in Oakland Berkeley where people tend to stop and chat. The warehouse in Port Costa is a known hangout though.

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I don't see why that's relevant, unless you mean to imply that Republicans = racists.

I think the opposite is implied. Outspoken racists tend to be "republican". Really just some flavor of extreme conservative, but republican has become a catchall term for right wing. More subtle, closeted racists, come from all over the political spectrum through.

Yeah thought that should be obvious. Not every republican is a white nationalist but these people made no secret about their vote, or their belief in great replacement theory, or their views that non whites aren’t fit to hold government office.

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When a longtime Californian leaves California, they make a big stink about it like it's a zeitgeist and parlance of our times. And they only move to Portland, OR or Austin, TX. There have been a few to move to New York City, but that is seen as selling out. Lastly, a handful to Colorado but no one has an opinion on that therefore they are ex-communicated until they return to either California, Portland, or Austin.

I'm from Europe and New Mexico looks the most attractive to me.

It is a beautiful place, I'm visiting there with my wife now, we come several times a year. It does have issues though, education is lacking, there is a real lack of opportunity so you'd better have a good remote job, not really any international flights in and out, you have to hop to a bigger airport like DIA or one in California, and it's pretty monocultural.

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I'm a southerner (not TX, but living in TN currently) and I really dream of making it to CA some day. The south is cheaper for a reason, and CA is expensive for a reason. You get what you pay for. Red State governance is truly abysmal, the climate is terrible, and there is precious little BLM land to explore. If enough people leave CA to reduce the price (or enough people move to the south to raise the price here) I'…

And yet the economic growth of the red states, particularly in last few years has outpaced the blue states. Not to mention the tons of people moving into red states. Hence there are many that disagree with your assessment. I’m sure you‘ll miss Tennessee’s no state income tax once you move to California.

Yeah but it's going to take 100 years for them to catch up with California, the 5th largest economy in the world

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Welcome to Bulgaria, my friend. The most progressive country in the World! In all seriousness, if the parent commenter is expecting modern US woke-inspired progressive policies to be driving decision-making anywhere in Europe, they will be disappointed. (I don't like throwing the word "woke" around but have no better way to summarize the difference between the modern progressive movement and the original progressive…

Bulgaria has single payer health care, it's to the left of most leftist states in the USA. And it's funny you recognize the usage of "woke" as problematic, but you still use it. Actual liberal politics means schools, roads, health care, climate, etc. It means a social safety net and labour protections. All of that are universal in Europe while most of it is completely lacking, as I said in even the most "liberal" par…

Bulgaria has a _terrible_ single payer health care system, an astonishing level of corruption, a powerful mafia that basically controls the government, widespread racism against the gypsies, dislike for anything LGBT, and many more not so liberal things. Cherry-picking the single payer health care system is silly.

If you haven't noticed, I am talking about modern-day progressives, not liberal policies. The term "woke" describes best the difference between liberals/the original progressives and the modern type of progressives obsessed with race, sex, gender, and such.

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> The funny thing about homelessness is that its a material issue. This is funny indeed. But for a different reason than you think. Bay Area progressives like yourself became so embedded into capitalist thinking that they discarded everything else from a working social system. Everything is solved with money (i.e. capital). Homelessness - money. Mental illness - money. Drug addiction - money. Racism - money. Crime -…

> all inequality is caused by racism, sexism and other -isms All inequality is caused by... all examples of inequalities? As a class reductionist I dislike wokeism as much as the next guy but this statement is meaningless. its impossible to actually respond to any of the arguments you're making because Marxism = class war and capitalism = more money displays a complete lack of understanding of basic economics. Its no…

I could rephrase my point the third time but don't think that would help.

The fact that you both reject the idea that class war is central to Marxism and call yourself a "class reductionist" in the same sentence only further demonstrates your lack of introspection.

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I think you are ignoring the racial angle here. San Francisco became trendy because it was a major urban center, a walkable city, with less than a 6% black population, and that population was relegated to the Bayview area, which of course did not become popular with tech workers as a residential destination. You have a similar situation for Seattle. And Austin. Or Portland. But why is there is no big tech gentrificat…

There is gentrification in some of the southern Chicago neighborhoods. If you're asking why there isn't much in Englewood or Grand Crossing, it's because Chicago is geographically huge, and decades of redlining tore a giant gash in the west and south sides of the city that will take many, many more decades to heal. There simply isn't enough demand, across the entire city, to make high-end development in Grand Crossin…

> There is gentrification in some of the southern Chicago neighborhoods

Fun Fact: The Obama Administration was instrumental in tearing down a number of low income housing projects in Chicago and exporting them to nearby cities in Illinois, in an attempt to "unlock value" in downtown Chicago housing by removing poor black families. This has had limited success, although South Chicago is still overall a no go zone for gentrification. This explains the slight gentrification you are referring to. There were multiple lawsuits over this, as the nearby suburbs did not want to receive these housing projects, and were basically forced into it by the Obama administration. This was portrayed not as an effort to enrich administration-connected housing developers in downtown Chicago, but rather as an effort "integrate wealthy suburbs" so that they do "their fair share".

Bottom line, you have to be aware of race and what is really going on when you complain about "lack of affordable housing". There is, of course, plenty of affordable housing. But not where you want to live.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/07/chicago...

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/race-real-estate-oak...

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That’s odd, I was just in Savanah and every place I went there smelled like mold. It was overpowering in one store I went into, where a local remarked that you don’t notice after awhile.

“Never not been a problem” it was a double negative I think you are agreeing.

Yeah, I was in a COVID medicine haze, I think I misread that.

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There is gentrification in some of the southern Chicago neighborhoods. If you're asking why there isn't much in Englewood or Grand Crossing, it's because Chicago is geographically huge, and decades of redlining tore a giant gash in the west and south sides of the city that will take many, many more decades to heal. There simply isn't enough demand, across the entire city, to make high-end development in Grand Crossin…

> There is gentrification in some of the southern Chicago neighborhoods Fun Fact: The Obama Administration was instrumental in tearing down a number of low income housing projects in Chicago and exporting them to nearby cities in Illinois, in an attempt to "unlock value" in downtown Chicago housing by removing poor black families. This has had limited success, although South Chicago is still overall a no go zone for…

There is plenty of affordable housing all over Chicago, which is why it's going to be awhile before Grand Crossing has a Sweetgreen. Housing on the west and south sides of the city are, by CA/NY/WA standards, beyond "affordable". The median home price in Portage Park is somewhere around $350k --- freestanding houses, yards, low crime, Chicago property taxes, Blue Line connectivity. The median home price in Grand Crossing? $120k.

Public housing projects as implemented by cities like Chicago were a failed experiment. The people that used to live in those places get Section 8 vouchers now, and live in houses on blocks like mine. They're better off, and the city is better off.

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