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California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by ttyprintk »

fundad wrote: post #36
maerF0x0 wrote: post #23

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Texas also has a ton of NIMBYism. That's the same root sentiment for "Don't California my Texas" which says "You may be a resident, but you better not do something I don't like" -- same mentality. I see this same resistance when it comes to building non-single family homes, and Texans are instead thinking more lanes + more sprawl is going to solve the influx of people. Then they lament pricing and make claim that lon…

I wonder how housing inflation rates compare across states. TX real estate looks cheap to ex-Californians but has TX or any state kept housing affordable for existing residents in the past few years?

I’ve heard two explanations:

The household inflation rate is highest in the Rockies.

The household inflation rate is rising fastest in the South, attributed to new arrivals.

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Post by fortuna86 »

foreverCarlos wrote: post #353
fortuna86 wrote: post #282

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Literally anywhere in Europe outside of Poland or Hungary ?

Welcome to Bulgaria, my friend. The most progressive country in the World! In all seriousness, if the parent commenter is expecting modern US woke-inspired progressive policies to be driving decision-making anywhere in Europe, they will be disappointed. (I don't like throwing the word "woke" around but have no better way to summarize the difference between the modern progressive movement and the original progressive…

Bulgaria has single payer health care, it's to the left of most leftist states in the USA.

And it's funny you recognize the usage of "woke" as problematic, but you still use it. Actual liberal politics means schools, roads, health care, climate, etc. It means a social safety net and labour protections. All of that are universal in Europe while most of it is completely lacking, as I said in even the most "liberal" parts of the US.

Confusing policy (what matters) with social media arguments about what a woman is defined as is a distraction. It's meant to divide people that otherwise agree. Don't play into that game.

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Post by nikolay »

fragmede wrote: post #377
nikolay wrote: post #217

It should and will continue to! Paying $3,200+ for a 2-bedroom is insane!

It is, but yesterday's high in SF was 55° with a low of 48°. LA's high was 83 and a low of 54. Global climate change will probably turn our summers super toasty, but this past week's bomb cyclone makes me grateful I'm living here. Not sure it's worth $3.2k for a 2 bed, but I'll take the good things I can get.

How about the poor air quality?

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Post by fragmede »

nikolay wrote: post #383
fragmede wrote: post #377

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It is, but yesterday's high in SF was 55° with a low of 48°. LA's high was 83 and a low of 54. Global climate change will probably turn our summers super toasty, but this past week's bomb cyclone makes me grateful I'm living here. Not sure it's worth $3.2k for a 2 bed, but I'll take the good things I can get.

How about the poor air quality?

Like I said, I'll take whatever upsides exist. Wildfire season this year was mercifully light, so that's good. Thanks to other goings on in the world I have a stockpile of N95 filtration masks, but California takes emissions so seriously that auto manufacturers make special versions of their cars to sell here, which has alleviated the LA smog problems from the 90's. But I don't know that air quality is something that most Californian's live in fear of. I was the outlier 3 years ago for wearing an N95 during wildfire season.

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Post by andirk »

m-ee wrote: post #344
Fatnino wrote: post #295

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That's when a democrat moves. Republicans move to Arizona, Texas and Florida

The most virulently racist CA residents I’ve met (meet some interesting people out riding motorcycles) moved to Idaho

do you "recommend" any hilarious biker bars in the SF Bay Area? I only know one and it had a Pabst vending machine in the back. I didn't have a patch or a rider or really any black leather so I never checked it out. Or a motorcycle. Or have ever been on a street legal motorcycle.

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Post by usednet »

foreverCarlos wrote: post #348
usednet wrote: post #235

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I've lived in the Bay Area for my entire life and am considering leaving only because it's not progressive enough. The Bay and most of California is only progressive on inconsequential social issues. Housing? Homelessness? Fucking Houston Texas is more progressive than us. Frankly, I blame the venture capitalists. They have turned what was once a vibrant region I loved into a soulless husk of itself though money. Our…

I really hope you thoroughly investigate this concern before moving to Europe. It's far less "progressive" in some aspects than the Bay Area. In most European countries if you are a mentally ill individual screaming at night in the middle of the city you will either be arrested (and likely hospitalized) for disturbing public order or beaten up by someone local. There are very few places in the world where it's a wide…

The funny thing about homelessness is that its a material issue. When you address the material root causes, homelessness disappears. So does mental illness, which is why the correlation between these issues and GINI coefficient is so strong.

> Progressive politics in the US sadly transformed from mostly socially and economically-oriented (Wilson, Roosevelt) to an amalgamation of Marxism (Boudin), capitalism, wokeism and social impotency that satisfies no one.

This sentence is incomprehensible. Progressive politics has turned into Marxism and capitalism?

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Post by CodeSgt »

m-ee wrote: post #344
Fatnino wrote: post #295

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That's when a democrat moves. Republicans move to Arizona, Texas and Florida

The most virulently racist CA residents I’ve met (meet some interesting people out riding motorcycles) moved to Idaho

I don't see why that's relevant, unless you mean to imply that Republicans = racists.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

fortuna86 wrote: post #347
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #297

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I think that property prices in Ireland, the UK and the Netherlands provide a neat counter example to your point.

Housing prices everywhere have gone up, just not at the same rates. You can still find reasonable housing outside London, Dublin, etc.

Outside London yes. Outside Dublin not so much, unless you want to live on the other side of the country.

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Post by Melting_Harps »

andirk wrote: post #253
edgyquant wrote: post #199

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We live in a country the size of Western Europe with climates ranging from tropical to frozen tundra most of which are full of cheap land and housing if you don’t mind living a bit out of the way… and you picked Texas?

When a longtime Californian leaves California, they make a big stink about it like it's a zeitgeist and parlance of our times. And they only move to Portland, OR or Austin, TX. There have been a few to move to New York City, but that is seen as selling out. Lastly, a handful to Colorado but no one has an opinion on that therefore they are ex-communicated until they return to either California, Portland, or Austin.

> Lastly, a handful to Colorado but no one has an opinion on that therefore they are ex-communicated

No, I did it and there is a big stink about us showing up in Boulder or Denver in large numbers and driving up the price of real estate enough to know we are persona non-grata amongst 'natives'--which is to say those who moved there in the late 90s or early 2000s and reaped the most benefits from said real estate spikes. It's a trope, and if you lived there or spent time there you'd know that.

I personally moved back to EU, after living in various countries for four years, and was way better received than most of the US--I'm Californian and lived in HI and CO. Granted, I was well welcomed by my local community in the startup World, but outside of that it was clear you were the scapegoat for all that was going wrong.

Personally I think the crux is that housing is less constrained in the EU and lower salaries keep things from getting completely out of hand, and their aging population coupled with significant Covid deaths meant their was an excess in vacancy and several of them sought to attract digital nomads (albeit with lengthy and tiresome processes) with attractive visa programs in order to cash in the WFH diaspora.

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