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California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by foreverCarlos »

cuteboy19 wrote: post #323
Glawen wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it mean to be progressive? All the woke movement we see now in Europe has been imported from US. We just copy paste stuff even when it makes no sense because we do not share the same history.

Example; British activists imported all the BLM stuff, including "Defund the Police". Unfortunately, police in Britain are already quite underfunded and don't have a lot of the negative aspects of American police.

Not to defend this very poorly-named movement, but I think the main idea wasn't about defunding the police but about redirecting some of the funds from the police to other social services. Which again, in the case of the British police makes far less sense.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by dixie_land »

kitsune_ wrote: post #299
andirk wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a longtime Californian leaves California, they make a big stink about it like it's a zeitgeist and parlance of our times. And they only move to Portland, OR or Austin, TX. There have been a few to move to New York City, but that is seen as selling out. Lastly, a handful to Colorado but no one has an opinion on that therefore they are ex-communicated until they return to either California, Portland, or Austin.

I'm from Europe and New Mexico looks the most attractive to me.

It is indeed very beautiful, true to the moniker Land of Enchantment

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by foreverCarlos »

fortuna86 wrote: post #282
nonethewiser wrote: post #271

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> I've lived in the Bay Area for my entire life and am considering leaving only because it's not progressive enough. Where will you go? Wakanda?

Literally anywhere in Europe outside of Poland or Hungary ?

Welcome to Bulgaria, my friend. The most progressive country in the World!

In all seriousness, if the parent commenter is expecting modern US woke-inspired progressive policies to be driving decision-making anywhere in Europe, they will be disappointed. (I don't like throwing the word "woke" around but have no better way to summarize the difference between the modern progressive movement and the original progressive movement in the US).

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by jeffbee »

wwweston wrote: post #245
jeffbee wrote: post #192

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I'm not sure what place you are describing but a place like Chico could easily double their population, and should do so. There are a string of silly towns that are squatting on ideal locations (Chico is one). The state should use its budget to incentivize growth in those places. A town like Chico, or Lodi, or Stockton, or even Sacramento should get slathered in cash if it builds housing in a smart way. The state sho…

Aren't most of these towns smack dab in the middle of 100 year floodplain problems?

No. Established cities tend to be not in flood plains due to survivor effect. Chico, Lodi, Sacramento, and even Stockton are above 100-year floor areas for the most part. Typically the most flood-prone areas are the oldest parts of old downtowns and the newest sprawl where they are gobbling up marginal land.

https://gis.bam.water.ca.gov/bam/

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Post by zbrozek »

wwweston wrote: post #343
zbrozek wrote: post #329

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Regulatory expense is the single largest line item for building a home, with places like Fremont pushing just the permit fees alone north of $140k. https://citiesassociation.org/documents/constraints-survey-d...

When I look at the link, it seems to contain a spreadsheet with no information, but let's say $150k is true. Market prices of homes in places like Freemont tend to run from the high 6 figures through the low 7. Knock off $150k and we have maybe a 20% price reduction (probably closer to 15%). Nice to have but hard to figure out how that represents the largest portion of anything. Land homes sit on costs more than $150…

Look at the tabs in the spreadsheet, you don't want the first one.

The land cost scales down with density. The unit permitting cost is fixed regardless of size.

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Post by vineyardmike »

dctoedt wrote: post #109
wysewun wrote: post #43

Moved from the bay to Texas because of everything i heard. It was such a horrible experience. The heat, the bugs, the lack of density. So few days of good weather. Maybe worth it to some, but a bigger house was not worth it to me at all. We moved back in 6 months. So many people want to live in California which causes more issues

> So few days of good weather [in Texas]. That's why I tell disbelieving Californians that we have better weather in Texas than they do: When we have nice days, we appreciate it, whereas when they do, they don't even notice .... :-) (Source: Spent several years in California long ago.)

So you don’t have nice weather, you have Stockholm syndrome?

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by vineyardmike »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #297
fortuna86 wrote: post #278

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While people remain in denial about how nice it is to only have 2-3 months of livable outdoor weather a year, housing prices will always tell the truth

I think that property prices in Ireland, the UK and the Netherlands provide a neat counter example to your point.

Obviously not a fair example.

Housing isn’t really a “market” that can be efficient at pricing in all information because it’s different for everyone (relatives, taxes, jobs, immigration, race, etc).

The places you listed have milder weather, and far less sunshine than most of the US but they also have hundreds of years of extra history and development. Moving from the US to there has far higher friction cost than moving between states.

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Post by vineyardmike »

jimbob45 wrote: post #251
wysewun wrote: post #43

Moved from the bay to Texas because of everything i heard. It was such a horrible experience. The heat, the bugs, the lack of density. So few days of good weather. Maybe worth it to some, but a bigger house was not worth it to me at all. We moved back in 6 months. So many people want to live in California which causes more issues

>the bugs Which US state doesn't have problems with bugs though? I know none hold a candle to Australia but it seems like each has its own unique problem with bugs.

Honestly? California.

The entire western coast of the US (cali to Washington) has far less bugs than the east or Midwest. I assumed it was the drier climate but Seattle area doesn’t have a lot of bugs either.

After moving west, I found in identical weather conditions, the west is better to be outside because it will have less bugs.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by Uyuxo »

kitsune_ wrote: post #299
andirk wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a longtime Californian leaves California, they make a big stink about it like it's a zeitgeist and parlance of our times. And they only move to Portland, OR or Austin, TX. There have been a few to move to New York City, but that is seen as selling out. Lastly, a handful to Colorado but no one has an opinion on that therefore they are ex-communicated until they return to either California, Portland, or Austin.

I'm from Europe and New Mexico looks the most attractive to me.

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