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California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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philsnow wrote: post #98
wysewun wrote: post #43

Moved from the bay to Texas because of everything i heard. It was such a horrible experience. The heat, the bugs, the lack of density. So few days of good weather. Maybe worth it to some, but a bigger house was not worth it to me at all. We moved back in 6 months. So many people want to live in California which causes more issues

Boot up google maps, go to east Texas, turn on satellite view, and zoom out a bit: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.162224,-97.8577697,1179315m/... That easternmost part of the state is the "piney woods" and it's lovely compared to the concrete island that is Dallas. The forests have a mitigating effect on heat.

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fortuna86 wrote: post #278
bombcar wrote: post #147

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This is true of the Midwest, too. After the months of winter 40° days are barbecue outdoors and go for hikes weather.

While people remain in denial about how nice it is to only have 2-3 months of livable outdoor weather a year, housing prices will always tell the truth

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sangnoir wrote: post #307
jimbob45 wrote: post #251

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>the bugs Which US state doesn't have problems with bugs though? I know none hold a candle to Australia but it seems like each has its own unique problem with bugs.

Ah, I see you're yet to encounter Texas roaches. Additionally, Texas is number 2 on mosquito prevalence after Florida, along with other biting insects. As a bonus, Texas is also home to recluse spiders, whose bites can cause necrosis. Texas is no Australia when it comes to dangerous critters, but of all the American states, it's in the top 2, and gives Florida a run for its money.

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danny_codes wrote: post #281
nonethewiser wrote: post #271

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> I've lived in the Bay Area for my entire life and am considering leaving only because it's not progressive enough. Where will you go? Wakanda?

Anyplace in Europe I suppose. And I think plenty of other US cities. The bay is actually not very progressive. Economically I'd say it's purely neoliberal. We simply refuse to inconvenience the rich to fix things.

What does it mean to be progressive? All the woke movement we see now in Europe has been imported from US. We just copy paste stuff even when it makes no sense because we do not share the same history.

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Post by azernik »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #232
dragonwriter wrote: post #116

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> I take a dim view of "approve more density or we'll sue you". That's not the rule. The rule is “approve developments such that you meet state housing requirements or lose your ability to deny planning approval to otherwise legally-compliant developments”. There is no suing involved: the requirements are known up front, and the consequence of not meeting them is automatic . > Like, the state already had targets set…

These are fair points, thank you for bringing them up. I admit I'm still skeptical that the cities won't find a way to tie this shit up in courts, but it's be great to be proven wrong.

Yeah, one of the reasons I like builders' remedy is it flips the courts' status quo bias on its head - the thing that's tired up in court is city limitations, not construction. That endless delay, even then anti-construction interests lost in the end, was still enough to kill projects economically.

Super weird comparatively as a regulatory framework, but uniquely suited to dealing with California-style procedural obstructionism.

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notwokeno wrote: post #285
drewcon wrote: post #246

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Maine.

Doesn't that lack the diversity people in California like?

Yes, but the secret is virtue signaling doesn't require them to do it. They just need to tell other people to do it.

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Post by ianai »

My suspicion is the housing market sorely needs investment forcefully pushed out of single family housing and (maybe/less convinced) cooperative apartment complexes forcefully pushed into market. There’s a single cooperative in my entire state and they’ve stopped taking applications due to the wait list. In any event, it’ll be interesting to see what the end of this decade and beginning of the next looks like as the Boomer held homes start to open up. Will the population demographics change to need fewer or more homes?

(Btw, that is altogether way too long to wait.)

I tried to bootstrap the rent/mortgage trade off discussion to some older gen-Zers and millennials at work recently. Couldn’t get far at all until I got talked over about the financial superiority of owning. Frustrating times.

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Post by igetspam »

bmitc wrote: post #310
tshaddox wrote: post #229

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Where would you choose to live with cheap land and housing where it doesn’t get extremely hot in the summer?

New England or the Midwest or the Rocky Mountain region.

I left CA for TX about a decade ago. I like the heat but it became unbearable. Worse yet, COVID and Trump made the people unbearable. (Doesn't matter which side you're on, everyone forgot their manners and won't shut up about things.)

We left after almost 10 years. We're in NH now. There are still people who won't stop talking about their personal politics but it's a lot fewer. There are signs during voting season but that's most of it. People here seem to be genuinely friendly and not Bless Your Heart "friendly."

I wouldn't go back to CA without a major change in the economics and I'd never go back to TX because it's just going to get hotter and people will likely just keep getting worse.

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trentgreene wrote: post #208
happytiger wrote: post #196

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San Francisco is moist. But respectfully, it is not the hot humidity that drives you to to find air conditioning and plan you day around staying inside to avoid.

Idk if the second part is really fair - as a Texan turned SF resident, I can understand how the Texas heat can be alarming at first. But if definitely didn’t stop us from going outside, doing things, holding sports practices (outside the rare 115 degree day), etc. The AC is appreciated, but you get acclimated to the heat. And anecdata of one, but I really miss the heat / humidity. Texas civilization does predate AC a…

Those 115F days are less rare now.

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Post by JeremyNT »

wysewun wrote: post #43

Moved from the bay to Texas because of everything i heard. It was such a horrible experience. The heat, the bugs, the lack of density. So few days of good weather. Maybe worth it to some, but a bigger house was not worth it to me at all. We moved back in 6 months. So many people want to live in California which causes more issues

I'm a southerner (not TX, but living in TN currently) and I really dream of making it to CA some day.

The south is cheaper for a reason, and CA is expensive for a reason. You get what you pay for. Red State governance is truly abysmal, the climate is terrible, and there is precious little BLM land to explore.

If enough people leave CA to reduce the price (or enough people move to the south to raise the price here) I'd gladly move to the west coast.

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