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Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by mensetmanusman »

4ggr0 wrote: post #156
nells wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes a special kind of person to cover half their face with a dirty mask and make it harder for themselves to breathe just so they don’t catch a cold.

> just so they don’t catch a cold. The people I know who still wear masks and myself wear them so that others don't get our cold, not necessarily to protect ourselves. A form of respect towards co-workers etc.

You have to have a very special mask to clean exhaled breath sufficiently to prevent an aerosol virus with such a high R0.

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Post by tinus_hn »

meragrin_ wrote: post #227
AuthorizedCust wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> washing hands Can we please drop this from COVID discussions? COVID isn’t spread by touch. That was apparent early on, but a lot of energy and resources were still diverted from “things that work” to a cleaning fetish.

> COVID isn’t spread by touch. COVID's primary means of infection certainly isn't touch, but that doesn't preclude getting the droplets on your hands and introducing them by touching your face.

This sounds like handwavy opinion with no scientific basis. Has this mode of transmission ever been proven to occur in a scientific trial?

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Post by glofish »

meragrin_ wrote: post #227
AuthorizedCust wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> washing hands Can we please drop this from COVID discussions? COVID isn’t spread by touch. That was apparent early on, but a lot of energy and resources were still diverted from “things that work” to a cleaning fetish.

> COVID isn’t spread by touch. COVID's primary means of infection certainly isn't touch, but that doesn't preclude getting the droplets on your hands and introducing them by touching your face.

AFAIK you don't can't get COVID by having it on your face, it has to be an airborne particle that floats and ends up deep inside your nose/lung.

so the whole touching your face is a red herring

I am sure you and I and everyone else, has lots of things on their faces at all times

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by ccbccccbbcccbb »

DocTomoe wrote: post #138
mrtksn wrote: post #132

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Lockdowns certainly can stop geometric rise of an infection and it can make sense if you don't want to have people who might have been saved dying in hospital corridors due to lack of capacity but IMHO it doesn't make any sense whatsoever as a long term solution if the lockdown is not globally coordinated to eradicate the microbe at once. If the lockdown is not global, it will keep coming back. That's why I wonder wh…

> That's why I wonder what China is trying to achieve here. Most likely explanation: Population/unrest control. If you can randomly shut down parts of the country for the pretend reason of a plague, you can stop unrest from rising. Do shut down small areas randomly for maximum fear and effect. Remember the Hong Kong protests?

Sorry dude, one can't simply tell truth here. Your downvoters shall persist with their cognitive dissonance until they find themselves literally l̶o̶c̶k̶e̶d̶ self-isolated in t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶e̶l̶l̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶M̶a̶t̶r̶i̶x̶ their cosy appartments f̶e̶e̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶M̶a̶c̶h̶i̶n̶e̶ signalling their virtue, and even then they will pretend it's OK and everyone dissident is just nuts.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

6stringmerc wrote: post #141
nells wrote: post #100

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Some people here in HN said that the pandemic would normalise using masks - the way things are now every time I see someone wearing a mask I can’t help but think that they are ill and infectious; it’s very very rare. So glad that we are back to the way it was.

I just got a phone message reminder from my County health department emphasizing getting the booster. It’s motivating me to go ahead and put it on my priority list, at my specialist center there are a ton of cancer patients and the masks are now stated as mandatory for all. Not enforced but still, it’s posted. I thought masks were the clearest indicator of a person’s perspective on themselves and their role in societ…

Masks are designed to protect the wearer. Your priors may need updating on what it means that an aerosol is spreading the virus.

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Post by tinus_hn »

mrtksn wrote: post #132
nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

Lockdowns certainly can stop geometric rise of an infection and it can make sense if you don't want to have people who might have been saved dying in hospital corridors due to lack of capacity but IMHO it doesn't make any sense whatsoever as a long term solution if the lockdown is not globally coordinated to eradicate the microbe at once. If the lockdown is not global, it will keep coming back. That's why I wonder wh…

> I wonder what China is trying to achieve here.

Exactly the same as what the western world has tried for 2 years, give or take. It doesn’t work either way, but due to their authoritarian government they just have the ability to keep trying for longer.

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Post by moron4hire »

AuthorizedCust wrote: post #202
nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

> washing hands Can we please drop this from COVID discussions? COVID isn’t spread by touch. That was apparent early on, but a lot of energy and resources were still diverted from “things that work” to a cleaning fetish.

Has hand washing as a means to reduce disease transmission ever been studied outside of third world countries? I tried to look it up once and the only studies I could find were all in cultures that used their bare hands to clean themselves after defecating.

At that point, it seems kind of obvious that washing your hands reduces disease. But for cultures that have more "advanced" bathroom ritual, is hand washing beyond cleaning literal shit off your hands actually effective? I can't imagine that a person could dedicate enough time to hand washing versus the amount of times they touch things and their faces, to make it a practice with good enough adherence rates to be considered useful policy.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #103
i_am_proteus wrote: post #92

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I personally had hoped the pan demic would normalize the wearing of gloves when in public, to be taken off as needed to eat, etc. But here we are. [Edited to explicitly indicate that this was a satirical post]

This is the reason you are not the one writing policies. How would wearing gloves help? You are not getting ill from having COVID on your hands.

Where I work you have to change gloves when you move from any work location/room, because gloves spread contamination.

Asking for glove use would have a huge environmental impact…

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by mensetmanusman »

CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #221
sfmike wrote: post #157

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Yes, as someone in Taiwan, the borders were closed and needed quarantine, but there was never local lockdowns where massive areas were required to stay home.

Some regions closed schools for a while, i wouldn't call that not following lockdown strategy.

That is flattening the curve, not imprisoning people in their own home for the well being of a wealthy dictator.

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Post by persedes »

captainmuon wrote: post #210
mrtksn wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lockdowns certainly can stop geometric rise of an infection and it can make sense if you don't want to have people who might have been saved dying in hospital corridors due to lack of capacity but IMHO it doesn't make any sense whatsoever as a long term solution if the lockdown is not globally coordinated to eradicate the microbe at once. If the lockdown is not global, it will keep coming back. That's why I wonder wh…

A couple of reasons. First, the strict measures were popular and people demanded them. It's been a while since I've spoken with people in China so I'm not sure how much this is still the case, but it was definitely true up to last year. Second, the measures allowed most people to move relatively freely and go to discos when we still had blanket lockdowns in the west. The idea was to crackdown hard and quickly create…

Could it also be the vaccines that were administered in China being less effective? If I recall people were hesitant to get the ones they developed and they at some point admitted that the initial ones had too low of an efficacy. So it'd make sense (for the gov) to fall back to lockdowns, maybe?
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