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Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by refurb »

monkeydust wrote: post #91
iso1631 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those running China know this, so why is it continuing

This I don't get and open to someone explaining it. There was a market rumour yesterday that committee was established to remove this rule ...markets jumped but that rumour was squashed by their government. Clearly it's causing pain and what happens with the next pandemic. Do the know something we don't?

Right. I don’t get what the end game is.

Covid will always be around, but with effective vaccines it’ll be more an annoyance than a serious disease.

Right now China is treating each case like they did before vaccines.

Clearly once restrictions will relax, Covid will spike. At least if they hope to have any normal sort of relationship with the outside world.

So what then? Ignore it? Just one day say “infections don’t matter”?

It’s odd.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by dirtyid »

mrtksn wrote: post #132
nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

Lockdowns certainly can stop geometric rise of an infection and it can make sense if you don't want to have people who might have been saved dying in hospital corridors due to lack of capacity but IMHO it doesn't make any sense whatsoever as a long term solution if the lockdown is not globally coordinated to eradicate the microbe at once. If the lockdown is not global, it will keep coming back. That's why I wonder wh…

It's simply zero covid working better than the best vaccines which will still lead to millions of deaths at PRC scale and with PRC's relatively lower per capita medical infra. Economically it sucks, but despite disruptions PRC exports booming and moving up the value chain until global slowdown due to UKR war, while being huge producer + cheap RU energy + reserves = slower growth + low inflation, and PRC is still doing relatively alright simply because most others are doing so shit. I imagine not even CCP knows how it ends long term except currently the cost benefit of waiting is worth it, especially with unknowns like long covid, or possibly useful excuse for impending global slow down that's going to impact PRC economy anyway. Might as well as weather it under guise of saving lives. TLDR is it's still sustainable status quo.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by causi »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #103
i_am_proteus wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally had hoped the pan demic would normalize the wearing of gloves when in public, to be taken off as needed to eat, etc. But here we are. [Edited to explicitly indicate that this was a satirical post]

This is the reason you are not the one writing policies. How would wearing gloves help? You are not getting ill from having COVID on your hands.

There's yet to be a single well-documented case of someone catching COVID via surface contamination, let alone enough to justify putting a lot of effort into, say, sanitizing your grocery bags.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

Washing hands seems to target a method of transmission that has weak evidence behind it:

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/how-important-are-surfaces...

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by CorrectHorseBat »

nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

> a few countries and territories did not use the lockdown strategy at all: including Japan, Belarus, Sweden, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tanzania, two states in Brazil and certain United States states.

Are you sure Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong fit on that list?

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by 4ggr0 »

nells wrote: post #122
thot_experiment wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. Weird, it's definitely moved the overton window a ton where I am and I'm glad of it. It's totally normal and nobody cares one way or the other as far as I've noticed. It's nice to be able to mask up without any feeling of stigma about it. Masking up just sort of seems like the altruistic move on public transit and the like, this was true before covid, esp during flu season, and I always felt a little embarrassed…

It takes a special kind of person to cover half their face with a dirty mask and make it harder for themselves to breathe just so they don’t catch a cold.

> just so they don’t catch a cold.

The people I know who still wear masks and myself wear them so that others don't get our cold, not necessarily to protect ourselves. A form of respect towards co-workers etc.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by sfmike »

CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #155
nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

> a few countries and territories did not use the lockdown strategy at all: including Japan, Belarus, Sweden, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tanzania, two states in Brazil and certain United States states. Are you sure Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong fit on that list?

Yes, as someone in Taiwan, the borders were closed and needed quarantine, but there was never local lockdowns where massive areas were required to stay home.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by benj111 »

dirtyid wrote: post #152
mrtksn wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lockdowns certainly can stop geometric rise of an infection and it can make sense if you don't want to have people who might have been saved dying in hospital corridors due to lack of capacity but IMHO it doesn't make any sense whatsoever as a long term solution if the lockdown is not globally coordinated to eradicate the microbe at once. If the lockdown is not global, it will keep coming back. That's why I wonder wh…

It's simply zero covid working better than the best vaccines which will still lead to millions of deaths at PRC scale and with PRC's relatively lower per capita medical infra. Economically it sucks, but despite disruptions PRC exports booming and moving up the value chain until global slowdown due to UKR war, while being huge producer + cheap RU energy + reserves = slower growth + low inflation, and PRC is still doin…

>It's simply zero covid working better than the best vaccines

Based on one metric. But ultimately it's self defeating. If you flush the economy down the toilet then there isn't the money for clean water, or hospitals etc.

Further zero flu works better than the vaccine. Do you want to stop the world until every disease is eradicated.

Lockdowns were never sustainable, in the context of a modern economy. It's a question of the least worst option. Vaccines mean it's no longer the least worst option.

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Post by wisty »

xiphias2 wrote: post #149
nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

The question is what is the problem the Chinese government wants to solve? If they want to limit demonstrations and get even more power over the people, lockdowns and not allowing mRNA based vaccines inside the country is a great tool.

China had heavy lockdowns. Changing the policy could be seen as admitting they made a mistake. There's one party, but multiple factions, and some factions pushed lockdowns harder than others.

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Post by hef19898 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #149
nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

The question is what is the problem the Chinese government wants to solve? If they want to limit demonstrations and get even more power over the people, lockdowns and not allowing mRNA based vaccines inside the country is a great tool.

We talk about someone with serious self-confidence and self-esteem issues, he made Winnie the Pooh illegal after all, on his way to become de-facto dictator of China. So yes, I'd say more power over the people is exactly what Chinese leadership wants. That they ruin the economy over it, well, all totalitarian regimes learned that part the hard way sooner or later.
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