they should at least keep the rides running
From the article: "rides are continuing to operate"
Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test
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Some people here in HN said that the pandemic would normalise using masks - the way things are now every time I see someone wearing a mask I can’t help but think that they are ill and infectious; it’s very very rare. So glad that we are back to the way it was.
Huh. Weird, it's definitely moved the overton window a ton where I am and I'm glad of it. It's totally normal and nobody cares one way or the other as far as I've noticed. It's nice to be able to mask up without any feeling of stigma about it. Masking up just sort of seems like the altruistic move on public transit and the like, this was true before covid, esp during flu season, and I always felt a little embarrassed…
It takes a special kind of person to cover half their face with a dirty mask and make it harder for themselves to breathe just so they don’t catch a cold.
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#123COVID has taught me a lot about the cultural differences between the west and China. A friend of mine worked in China for many years, but after several months of being locked in their apartment block and tested every 72 hours they chose to leave China. I honestly couldn't imagine people in the West putting up with that, however I'm yet to fully understand why Chinese people continue to suffer the rules without riot.
Another factor to understand is that China has a foundational myth which influences behaviour. Essentially the idea is not to rock the boat because history shows so much pain and bloodshed in the founding of the country.
A demonstration risks not only destabilision of this myth, it risks bloodshed and massacres because stability was won after so much pain.
To be Chinese in a certain way is to work against chaos. As much as to be British is to maintain the dignity of individual persons.
It's kind of hard to find a western equivalent which uses the hard lessons of history. Maybe something like the rule of law?
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> washing hands I always thought the pandemic will make fist bumps or other forms of greetings “mainstream”. But everyone (I know) have reverted back to hand shakes. I guessing the same with Covid hygiene measures. > get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. Like the majority of the people not taking the vaccine are on Twitter or do so because of social media drama.
I prefer handshakes to make sure someone isn't carrying a knife or dagger. Covid is less of a worry.
Isn't an ocular patdown sufficient for threat assessment Mac?
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#125They're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :) On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work (even with symptoms and of course, if one's feeling capable of work) - but, still, go to work with other infected/work with infected. I can understand that with so high density in people even one infection can lead to big massive spreads and thus to overloaded…
The problem with the "just a short lockdown" approach is that there is no endgame. As soon as you stop the lockdowns you're back to square one very quickly unless you take extremely drastical measures like China does. This would involve extreme travel restrictions to/from any place that doesn't take a similar approach.
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#126Every time I see events like this happen, I get extremely skeptical of the idea that China will somehow replace the US as leader of the world. I’m not sure if I’m justified in thinking so, but I just cannot imagine actions like this leading to a creative, innovative culture.
If I say that I'm not sure how students who live in a climate of fear and need to practice active shooter drills after every school shooting can lead to a creative and innovative culture, do you think that holds?
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Totalitarianism. Just that. You do not know what uou are risking if you protest. It may be worse that death or jail… Your family… Edit: the ellipses are because there are other possible outcomes, just that. I am not blaming the Chinese people. I am blaming the present (well, last 70 years at least) mode of government. Read Soljenitsin or Ginzburg or Nadiezda Mandelstam and you wil see what totalitarian Communism is c…
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Well one difference with where I live is that we don’t jail doctors for trying to alert people of a new virus. We also get free elections that allows us to boot officials if they apply unpopular policies.
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#128Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…
Makes one wonder what exactly they know about the virus which scares them so much.
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I think it's just a cultural problem. China had extraordinary success with their 0-covid strategy following the first two months of pandemic and were largely unaffected while western countries were struggling with intermittent lockdowns and massive death tolls. It really showed one of the strengths of China's regime and I think it formed a part of their national pride. It's hard for them to walk back from that now be…
You say it's a "cultural problem" but then describe a political problem. Is there an actual cultural problem, or just a political problem?
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are you responding to me with this?
You invented some weird strawman about how great China is and that's why they need to lockdown (1.2 Billion people or something). I'm pointing out that the reason they're locking down is because their science sucks and as a result the vaccine doesn't work, so Covid is still a thing there when it isn't in the West because we have working vaccines and also a lot of people with natural immunity.
> West because we have working vaccines
PRC vaccines work about as well as western ones in preventing serious cases, which is to say western vaccines suck as much as PRC vaccines post delta when they couldn't do the one thing that distinguished themselves - preventing spread (which from recent Pfizer drama they didn't even test for so mRNA was... never substantially superior). Hence the entire narrative around superior mRNA wank is ridiculous considering how little benefits it has especially with extra cold chain requirements or just the geopolitics of trusting unreliable foreign govs.
Combine with west being systemically incapable of containing covid and PRC still left with only obvious choice of exercising superior state capcity to zero covid which prevents millions of deaths using stats of mRNA effectiveness in neighbouring east Asian countries. They're still locking down because state capacity > science, including the wests. Plenty of people are still dying from covid every week while 1/5 has long covid. Capitulating to living with covid due to lack of choice =/= covid's over.