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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by Ambolia »

anovikov wrote: post #533
Ambolia wrote: post #389

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People migrate for economic reasons, not because they want to replace their own brain with the brain of the destination country people. The US was was relatively good at integrating migrants into a certain idea of america, but that's not the norm around the world, and I don't think that vision of america exists anymore. Maybe in the upper-middle class, but certainly gone in the lower classes.

To Cyprus, Russian migrate to hide their money here and live a normal life in a normal country. They are not poor by any measure.

There's rich economic reasons and poor economic reasons, they are still economic reasons, none of them are migrating to be integrated, just to be more wealthy.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by trhway »

pydry wrote: post #282
ogogmad wrote: post #254

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You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?

Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war. It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.

>Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war.

>It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.

absolutely not. The events of the last few days show exactly why Ukraine was right to want to join NATO. Ukraine knows Russia probably better than anybody else in the world.

If anything Ukraine's refusal to promise neutrality is just a convenient - in Russian view - excuse for the invasion. Blaming Ukraine like you do is just a victim blaming.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by adriancr »

Ambolia wrote: post #547
adriancr wrote: post #537

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> The Clintons selling Russia to oligarchs in the 90s How did that happen?, Did they own Russia or something?

Their administration with the "help" of harvard helped to produce the economic "success" that was 90s russia: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/harvard-boys-do-ru...

Hold on... Which administration?, did the Clinton's rule in Russia?

Even your article says the Russian Administration did this.

If I were to look at who's rich right now it's Putin and his accolade... so it seems they plundered and stole and destroyed everything.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by biztos »

5ESS wrote: post #493
9214 wrote: post #411

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In 2022: zero, unless you have relatives/friends from abroad who are willing to help. I'm mid-20s below-average Russian born and raised in a city with population of 19k (and declining), Ural region. Average salary here is around 200-300 USD, 400 if you are lucky. I emmigrated in 2019 to work with an international startup in Montenegro: and ended up being ostracized and harassed by my manager from another country (won…

You could always marry a foreign National to gain citizenship in that country. The going rate for a US sham marriage is about $60k.

How do you determine the going rate? Are rates advertised somewhere for comparison? Seems like a pretty risky thing to advertise.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by willis936 »

MrDisposable wrote: post #532
willis936 wrote: post #378

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The sky is falling and you think workers should be concerned with a wage that can't even afford bread and a roof? The sanction squeeze shifts the calculus.

If they don't have that wage, how do they eat?

If they have that wage, how do they eat? Russia is not self-sufficient. Going it alone means people will starve to death.

They won't starve to death in March, but it won't be long before buffers are empty. There is a window to do something about it.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by roca »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #463
simonh wrote: post #373

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Either you believe in democracy, or you do not. If the Ukrainian people want to join the EU or NATO, and our people want them to join us as well, they have the right to make that choice as free sovereign people, and we should back them up. Any other response is itself subjugation, and capitulation to terror.

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If Russia had joined NATO then there would be nothing to stop Putin taking the Baltic states right now.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by 9214 »

5ESS wrote: post #493
9214 wrote: post #411

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In 2022: zero, unless you have relatives/friends from abroad who are willing to help. I'm mid-20s below-average Russian born and raised in a city with population of 19k (and declining), Ural region. Average salary here is around 200-300 USD, 400 if you are lucky. I emmigrated in 2019 to work with an international startup in Montenegro: and ended up being ostracized and harassed by my manager from another country (won…

You could always marry a foreign National to gain citizenship in that country. The going rate for a US sham marriage is about $60k.

This is an interesting and valid point. Though, even if I could, why would I? Forming a bond (be it faked or real) with a person who might end up despising you for your blood (which you are trying to escape), and then trying to integrate into a hostile foreign culture — it's like trading one hellhole for another.

It might be worth the struggle in case of a sincere relationship, but not just for the sake of saving my sorry ass.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by lifty »

m_fayer wrote: post #446
anovikov wrote: post #176

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Russian here. This is not misinformation or anything. This is just because yes, vast majority of Russians from all walks of life are pure evil. Even those living in the Western countries for decades. I have deleted myself from all social networks 5 years ago and people keep sending me screenshots from Russian facebook groups in Cyprus and that makes me freak out. Nearly everyone is pro-Putin. Ridiculous posts get hun…

On the one hand, instinctively, calling such a large group of people evil feels wrong, it's painting with too broad a brush. On the other hand, I know where you're coming from. I grew up in NYC feeling pretty much American, but my family is Russian and I speak the language. Over years of encounters with my own extended family and the social network around them, I've struggled to not overgeneralize, to keep context in…

I grew up in Eastern Europe and your statement regarding "the elevation of hustle and cunning above all other forms of intelligence" rings so true and brings back memories. When I grew up, being able to criminally take advantage of other people and the state was revered as a highly desirable trait. I suspect that any behaviour that leads to monetary success in a society, will slowly become admired, regardless if it's ethical or not.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by roca »

thinkindie wrote: post #466
kikimora wrote: post #360

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Pardon my French but this is bullshit. Putin’s perverted logic goes like this - Ukrainian joins NATO, it establish missiles, Moscow in danger. The problem is Ukraine does not have to join NATO to have US missiles on its territory. Basic military agreement would allow that. Such an agreement technically was possible as early as 1992. The fact of life - there is no such agreement, hence whole idea of NATO or US threat…

also - in 2022 you don't really need to have basis with nuclear missiles at the doorstep to be a threat (so much that Putin also escalated on this topic too). You have submarines that can launch an attack with nuclear missiles, you have intercontinental vectors to deliver nukes. Putin is just trying to restore the idea of Russian Empire and/or Soviet Union. Same as Hitler trying to restore the German Empire.

Also, Russia already has NATO states on its borders, and there aren't nukes stationed there.
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