Tell HN: If You Are in Russia • Hacker News Board

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by Yoric » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 9:23 AM UTC

MrDisposable wrote: post #51

mkr-hn wrote: post #8

Folks really underestimate how many economic chokepoints there are if the right people feel threatened. I think and hope most Russians know who to blame, but it only takes one person misdirecting their rage to end your life if you're there and look like a target.

I'm sure the "target" understands that perfectly well, and has already taken all necessary countermeasures.

The way I read the GP is "As usual, if you're Jewish, be careful because they're going to deflect blame towards you. Expect lynch mobs."

(feel free to replace Jewish with another minority, it's probably also true)

If my understanding is correct, I agree with GP. My understanding of Russian history suggests that Russian politics 101, throughout the regimes, has been to pick (and murder) scapegoats during crises. If you feel that you're a potential target, now is a very good time to make sure that you have a way to survive this.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by anonymousDan » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 9:23 AM UTC

ausudhz wrote: post #323

blablablub wrote: post #269

What are the possibilities for an average russian citizen to leave russia and start over somewhere in the west? How about visas? Does anyone know?

If the airspace of half of the world is closed for Russia how you think they can even fly? They've sanctions that would even make it impossible for normal people to do a bank transfer in their "new" country.

There are plenty of land borders, a flight isn't necessary.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by simonh » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 9:23 AM UTC

pydry wrote: post #282

ogogmad wrote: post #254

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You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?

Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war. It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.

Either you believe in democracy, or you do not. If the Ukrainian people want to join the EU or NATO, and our people want them to join us as well, they have the right to make that choice as free sovereign people, and we should back them up. Any other response is itself subjugation, and capitulation to terror.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by alangibson » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 9:23 AM UTC

0x138d5 wrote: post #284

alangibson wrote: post #183

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> Do you feel this way about American companies as well, or only when convenient? Reply to all those saying this is not whataboutism: The question as posed has no value and is meant only to obscure the issue at hand. Here are some critical questions that would have been worth asking: - Russia has a legitimate gripe against NATO expansion. Why aren't you citizens of Western democracies doing something to keep your gov…

Not gonna argue on that whataboutism part buuut.... >Russia has a legitimate gripe against NATO expansion. The successor to the occupying CCCP, that did wildly shady stuff all over the Caucasus, invaded Georgia, supported a rebellion in Donbas, annexed Crimea and invaded a corrupt but nonetheless somewhat democratic Ukraine using GRAD strikes against cities has a legitimate gripe over countries WILLINGLY joining a de…

> legitimate gripe over countries WILLINGLY joining a defensive pact.

I will always support self-determination. Ukraine was obviously justified in wanting to join BUT you cannot expect a country that counts casualties in the millions every time it gets invaded to not get its hackles up about a nuclear armed alliance specifically aimed at containing it expanding up to its doorstep.

I look forward to seeing Putin on trial in the Hague, but if you're not willing to do a hard-headed logical analysis of the situation then you're doomed to watch history repeat itself in an endless cycle.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by KptMarchewa » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 9:23 AM UTC

dmitrygr wrote: post #193

rimliu wrote: post #187

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How good are people being bombed in Ukraine cities feel? Only the Russian people can stop this.

Ever lived under a dictator? Ever tried to stop him from doing something? Ever done either of the above while having a family you care about? At the end of the day, no sane person would place their family in mortal danger to maybe possibly potentially make life easier for a large number of unknown far away people.

Russians themselves have done it in 1917.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by netsharc » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 9:24 AM UTC

thejackgoode wrote: post #266

freddealmeida wrote: post #222

This anti-Russian trope spreading is infuriating. If Apple and Google can stop their Pay services, of course everything else will be stopped. But that also means I don't want to be on those services either. It is too much power to give to Amazon, Microsoft and Google. I will actively move my own services to solutions that don't act like arms of the US government.

Every Russian passport holding person is responsible for this conflict. The sooner they understand this, the more country remaining they will have when this will end

Geez.. this whole comment section is a terrible take.

By this logic 9/11 was fully justified.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by MrDisposable » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 9:24 AM UTC

vegai_ wrote: post #154

MrDisposable wrote: post #37

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> I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision Drastic. Catastrophic. Suicidal. World-changing. The country (Russia) in its current form has just ceased to exist. The entire parasitic elite class just got cut off from everything they stole during all these years. The entire human potential of Russia just got nullified for at lest 20 years. The push towards green energy (and I hope nuclear fusion) just got a…

>It's we Russians who are fucked for the rest of our lives. I sincerely hope all this goes away as fast as possible and we all can resume our lives in peace. Including you Russians. I don't see how that can happen with Putin, but fortunately he is far from being the only person who can lead Russia.

  > I sincerely hope all this goes away as fast as possible

I'm thinking 10-15 years. Though I may need to adjust my estimate, because Putin doesn't have easy access to the world's best medical services anymore -- which may shorten his life expectancy.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by willis936 » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 9:24 AM UTC

MrDisposable wrote: post #134

bsaul wrote: post #101

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i know it's very easy to say, but if you're russian right now, it seems to me that the only sane choice is to actively organize the overthrow of putin. It's one of the rare case (nuclear war threats), where it may be the safest solution. Especially now that a few public figures in Russia have officially standed against that war. There may be an opportunity to reach a critical mass at home.

It may work in a country where private business (i.e. state-independent source of income) is dominant, but a lot of Russians have jobs at state-owned institutions now (various administrations etc.) where they work for a meager wage. If they go out protesting, they will be fired from their jobs -- their only source of income. Not exactly a good decision, especially during the crisis times.

The sky is falling and you think workers should be concerned with a wage that can't even afford bread and a roof?

The sanction squeeze shifts the calculus.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ynoxinul » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 9:25 AM UTC

jdrc wrote: post #235

anovikov wrote: post #176

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Russian here. This is not misinformation or anything. This is just because yes, vast majority of Russians from all walks of life are pure evil. Even those living in the Western countries for decades. I have deleted myself from all social networks 5 years ago and people keep sending me screenshots from Russian facebook groups in Cyprus and that makes me freak out. Nearly everyone is pro-Putin. Ridiculous posts get hun…

this is becoming a theme with immigrant communities, in a similar vein how german Turks are supportive of Erdogan. I'm sure those people are not evil, but this phenomenon is worthy of investigation.

I'm a Russian in Germany. I've fled Russia after Crimea/Donbass events because of Putin's politics. No Russian I know in Germany or any other country abroad supports Putin.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by chupasaurus » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 9:25 AM UTC

jdrc wrote: post #224

5ESS wrote: post #185

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How are sanctions going to make anybody more informed? They dont…That makes no sense. Instead of sanctions, a more effective strategy would be to provide Russians with free VPNs so that they can access western news media.

Sanctions do work, cutting off communication with the west doesn't. There 's a feeling that Russians need to be jolted off their seats. I m seeing many of them asking for alternatives for payments or incorporation elsewhere

Most of the pro-invasion citizens are being fed by propaganda exclusively, cutoff wouldn't make any significant impact.