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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by alisonkisk »

csee wrote: post #235
Spooky23 wrote: post #115

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The anti-vaccination people don’t need facts, so anything that creates FUD works for them. I live in a protest corridor, and the “freedom lovers” were demanding that we sacrifice the weak and old so that they could enjoy not getting a vaccine. It’s a gross type of mental illness.

> "freedom lovers" were demanding that we sacrifice the weak and old Isn't it the opposite? I recall various right-leaning figures talking about 'sacrificing' the young . Release them in order to get natural immunity, while locking up the old until that process is done. I think that was a rather bad idea, especially with the hindsight of knowing how quickly the vaccines were ready, but that's separate.

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

I imagine it has something to do with shuttering society for the better part of two years now.

Spouses are known to die within weeks of each other, presumably due to loneliness/lack of will to live/etc.

If you force people to stop congregating, stop working out, stop having fun socially, etc... it's kind of the same thing, no?

It must have some effect on people's health.

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Post by nu11ptr »

FabHK wrote: post #281
nop_slide wrote: post #270

I can already see this being used as a source that the vaccines are the reason for the increased deaths. Could anyone point out if how vaccines as the casue could be ruled out by this data?

You could check for excess mortality among vaccinated and unvaccinated people. I think the data is very clear: vaccination does not lead to excess mortality (unlike COVID).

I think that would be very tricky to decouple variables here. The vaccine seems to reduce mortality from COVID, but if the vaccine were killing x% itself, the vaccine would only have to be more effective at saving from COVID than killing for that safety signal to be lost. In short, comparing vaxxed vs unvaxxed mortality alone isn't likely to tell you if you have a vaccine safety signal.

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Post by abyssin »

woodruffw wrote: post #241
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #77

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All of the non-COVID deaths I’ve heard of among younger people ( Working from home can remove a lot of the accountability that keeps addicts in check. When your coworkers can’t see you, it’s much easier to be inebriated or otherwise suffering from addiction-related issues without feeling social pressure to correct it.

> Working from home can remove a lot of the accountability that keeps addicts in check. This is a cruel twist, given that suicide deaths actually decreased in 2020[1], probably for the reason you've mentioned: spending nearly all of your time with others makes you accountable and removes opportunities for self-harm. [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/VSRR016.pdf

I’m not a native speaker, but there seems to be something inappropriately judgmental about the wording of “keeping in check”. Loneliness is hard for many and causes suffering, and drugs are sometimes used to try to manage suffering. More use is linked to more accidents.

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Post by FabHK »

nu11ptr wrote: post #293
FabHK wrote: post #281

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You could check for excess mortality among vaccinated and unvaccinated people. I think the data is very clear: vaccination does not lead to excess mortality (unlike COVID).

I think that would be very tricky to decouple variables here. The vaccine seems to reduce mortality from COVID, but if the vaccine were killing x% itself, the vaccine would only have to be more effective at saving from COVID than killing for that safety signal to be lost. In short, comparing vaxxed vs unvaxxed mortality alone isn't likely to tell you if you have a vaccine safety signal.

You're right, you'd have to test whether people in each group are infected with COVID, and correct for that. Should still be doable. Would also need to correct for age and co-morbidities (doable), and also for differences in behaviour (hard).

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Post by whack »

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #292

I imagine it has something to do with shuttering society for the better part of two years now. Spouses are known to die within weeks of each other, presumably due to loneliness/lack of will to live/etc. If you force people to stop congregating, stop working out, stop having fun socially, etc... it's kind of the same thing, no? It must have some effect on people's health.

Luckily we don't need too vivid an imagination to find the answer. The data shows that the main cause of higher death rates is covid, not loneliness.

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Post by yosito »

hervature wrote: post #186

My hypothesis is that this is caused from diabetes. I first learned about this when my friend was diagnosed with diabetes at the beginning of the pandemic. He said that Stanford was investigating a potential connection. Now there is a bit more literature [1]. If you go to [2] and select "Weekly Number of Deaths by Cause Subgroup" and then "Other select causes" from the dropdown, you will see that diabetes jumped up a…

The effects of covid on the pancreas are interesting to me. I started having what appear to be pancreatic issues in May. I'm wondering if it may have been triggered by an otherwise asymptomatic covid infection but I'm not sure how to confirm.

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Post by dillondoyle »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #57
andrewclunn wrote: post #12

> "The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319." So last year more covid deaths (particularly among the elderly), but while those numbers have de…

Within my brothers circle of friends / former friends etc, amongst those that participate in recreational drug use, there have been a crazy number of Fentanyl related deaths. They're all between the ages of 25 - 30. I can't help but wonder how much this has an impact.

And it's not just opiate users. People buying coke & 'molly' are overdosing too from fent and analogues too.

Why in the world would a dealer put fent into coke. I guess a speedball feels great but the average weekend partier doing a bump or a pill are not looking to walk that death tightrope.

Just sad all around and we still have a long way to go with stigma and science based treatment.

If you happen to be in that scene might be a good idea to start carrying naloxone.

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Post by lostlogin »

FabHK wrote: post #279
lostlogin wrote: post #174

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The Economist article posted here a few days ago had the US at a bit over 1 million deaths. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...

Assuming that COVID deaths are fully accounted for, that would mean about 200k excess deaths due to other, presumably COVID related, factors (suicide, drug overdose, ...).

That's a big assumption though. Some places had death rates decline for many 'normal' causes of death.

Suicide, flu and car crashes caused less deaths than usual where I am, and the lockdowns led a negative value for 'excess deaths'. I'm in New Zealand.

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Post by toss1 »

csee wrote: post #218
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> a significant portion end up losing 7-10 IQ points just from dementia There probably is an IQ drop, but I question this figure. I recall a study doing the rounds here which showed this figure as a ballpark and it was very low quality.

From direct accounts, the figure is likely low. A good attorney friend has a friend who used to be one of the sharpest and most witty attorneys he knew. Months after a "mild case" (no hospitalization), the friend is not all there, fading in and out - he'll literally fade in and make a witty comment almost like before, then seconds later not remember it..., and hasn't been able to get back to work. That sounds like a lot more than 10 points, more like 140->95.

Even if the effects are temporary, and even if it's "only five points", I'm not interested in that risk, and you shouldn't be either.

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