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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by netizen-936824 »

maxerickson wrote: post #42
netizen-936824 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” "that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying" Am I missing something? Is this not a comparison?

It's a literary construction, emphasizing that the 40% increase is not an observation about elderly people. It's not intended to be taken alone as a statement about the elderly.

He is making a statement on his data and saying that elderly aren't dying at the same rate. How is it possible to take that any way besides literally?

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by loeg »

k2enemy wrote: post #10
omosubi wrote: post #7

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Why must it be a comparison? A 40% increase in deaths for any population is mind boggling

It really isn't if you are starting from an extremely low baseline.

Depends on historical variance, no? The baseline was half a percent of hundreds of millions of people. It’s a lot of additional deaths.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by netizen-936824 »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #48
ebiester wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are multiple interpretations here. For example, if those disabilities are due to long COVID, then that would indicate that the cure is indeed not worse than the problem itself, but rather that the problem is even worse than we thought. Why is the total deaths up? Are cancer deaths going up because the system is stressed by COVID? Are the people who are dying people who had COVID, or people who didn't? Are peopl…

My point was the comparison between age groups is flawed. Nothing to do with cause.

Apologies. I replied to the incorrect comment thread

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by austinkhale »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #22
austinkhale wrote: post #16

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What claim do you believe is being made that utilizes this source in a biased way? It seems to me that in his remarks he was pretty clear about this data applying to the vertical of participants in employer plans, in a specific age group. I don’t think it’s any secret that the last two years have been poor for people’s mental & physical health. It stands to reason that we’re going to be feeling the consequences of th…

>that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” He's literally claiming that elderly are not dying at the same rates, based on his internal customer data

I think you’re misinterpreting his statement. He isn’t making a claim about elderly death rates. He’s saying the pandemic (both the disease and other effects) is affecting a younger, working cohort as well, based on their available data.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by oneplane »

derefr wrote: post #46
CoastalCoder wrote: post #25

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Why?

Presumably because sites not available in the EU aren’t legally obligated to annoy everyone with cookie consent banners.

They aren't legally obligated to track people with cookies either. It's always their own choice.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by ganoushoreilly »

andrewclunn wrote: post #12

> "The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319." So last year more covid deaths (particularly among the elderly), but while those numbers have de…

Within my brothers circle of friends / former friends etc, amongst those that participate in recreational drug use, there have been a crazy number of Fentanyl related deaths. They're all between the ages of 25 - 30. I can't help but wonder how much this has an impact.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by notreallyserio »

VincentEvans wrote: post #35
omosubi wrote: post #5

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I’ve read the article - I don’t see where it specifies the cause of the reported deaths. I interpreted it as deaths caused by Covid. Do you have a reason to interpret it differently?

I don't think they provided enough information to say either way. My gut hunch is that Covid and delayed health care are involved but I don't have a guess as to what degree.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by whatever1 »

austinkhale wrote: post #37
whatever1 wrote: post #24

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Fentanyl factor did not start in March of 2020.

2020 and 2021 both saw a sharp rise in fentanyl seizures at the border. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/fentanyl-seizur...

Not sure what fentanyl death rates did in a particular neighborhood in the US, what I know is that CDC reported 100k overdose deaths /year for 2020-2021. That pales in comparison to the 600k excess deaths we had in the first 9 months of the pandemic in the US.

Specially if you consider that the overdose deaths did not suddenly appear in 2020.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by kreeben »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #25
ur-whale wrote: post #19

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Quoted post unavailable.

Why?

To send a signal to the EU that US based web sites wish to continue to steal their users' PII and sell it to whomever they wish, without users having to give their consent, because that's how you make money when you don't have good, quality product.
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