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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Why must it be a comparison? A 40% increase in deaths for any population is mind boggling

It really isn't if you are starting from an extremely low baseline.

So we should just ignore these numbers? Does this not warrant more information about what is causing these deaths?

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> "The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319."

So last year more covid deaths (particularly among the elderly), but while those numbers have declined, the numbers from younger "working age" people have increased more than enough to make up for it.

> "Just 8.9% of ICU beds are available at hospitals in the state, a low for the year, and lower than at any time during the pandemic. But the majority of ICU beds are not taken up by COVID-19 patients – just 37% are, while 54% of the ICU beds are being occupied by people with other illnesses or conditions."

Well a lot of people were avoiding medical care (precisely because of Covid concerns), so this makes some sense. Couple that with the increased death rate for younger people and something has happened to worsen the health and outcomes generally for that population. Cue wild speculation and theories.

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Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

How many new young customers do they have? Maybe more people than before think about getting a life insurance and for whatever reason the more "fragile" ones are getting one.

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Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

He is not saying that elderly people aren’t dying. He’s saying elderly people are not in his sample set. In other words, you read this incorrectly. Also, you do not justify your claim of bias.

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Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

Why must it be a comparison? A 40% increase in deaths for any population is mind boggling

Because the quoted source is literally making the comparison, which I am saying is incorrect because his data is biased. Please reread the piece I quoted to see the comparison

>that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64”

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Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

What claim do you believe is being made that utilizes this source in a biased way? It seems to me that in his remarks he was pretty clear about this data applying to the vertical of participants in employer plans, in a specific age group.

I don’t think it’s any secret that the last two years have been poor for people’s mental & physical health. It stands to reason that we’re going to be feeling the consequences of the pandemic & pandemic mitigation efforts for quite some time.

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Additional deaths of despair are on the order of 1-10% of COVID deaths. I agree they are tragic, but the numbers do not support your conclusion.

Well how they are distributed is also important IMO. If you kill one young person for every 10 elderly you save that's a clear tradeoff situation. I don't know what the right answer is of course but it's not as though lockdowns are cost free as some have suggested.

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Why should we believe this biased source? >Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. So he sees the data for non elderly people, because those are the people who have his company's plans. So he doesn't have…

He is not saying that elderly people aren’t dying. He’s saying elderly people are not in his sample set. In other words, you read this incorrectly. Also, you do not justify your claim of bias.

>that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64”

"that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying"

Am I missing something? Is this not a comparison?

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