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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Deer? Those are from 500 pounds to over one thousand pounds. Oh courses a person can’t engage in a physical fight with them.

I'm guessing you're from Europe, because what you call Deer, the USA call Caribou or Elk, and what we call Deer aren't nearly that big.

Elk and caribou/reindeer are both kinds of deer (so are moose for that matter... for him to speak of 1000 lb deer, he must be thinking of moose or be mistaken.)

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All wild animals are stronger than they look. Humans are comparatively weak.. most of us can’t fight a deer. Monkeys are intelligent. They are aware of leverage and potential danger. They jump on people, chase, scratch and bite them

Any large dog is a lot to handle for most people should the dog get aggressive. Trained attack dogs demonstrate this quite well.

Attack dogs have a lot of core body / neck strength that they use combined with strong jaws. Definitely dangerous to an unarmed human.

The only thing you have on dogs is that you're smart enough to move to an advantaged position that the dog doesn't understand. Like run through a door and close it, get in a car and run the dog over, grab a gun and shoot the dog, those kinds of options. If you have no options, you're fucked.

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Having dived with pacific otters, they are just plain aggressive. They seemed to genuinely just enjoy being mean. Sea lions, on the other hand, are super pleasant and playful.

Sea otters are known to be more aggressive than river otters but I do not think they view humans as preys. It is probably a territorial or mating reason in your case. I have read different reports of what the OP mentioned. The official statement by the park is that he (as reported to them by himself) ran through the pack of otters because of poor visibility (early morning) and tried to get them to do something about…

This is interesting. Can you post links to these reports?

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We both are stronger and have more stamina than macaques. The biggest male adult macaques are 18kg. That’s probably more that the average adult can raise with one arm but not by much and I insist on average. That’s nothing exceptional for someone in shape. Considering the weight and power in a human leg, a swift kick would seriously harm and probably kill an average macaque. The issue is not strength here.

The average adult can't lift 18kg with one arm, even with improper posture? That's pretty sad if true.

The average parent can definitely lift 18kg with one arm, that's the weight of a 3 year old...

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> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings how strong are these monkeys? I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?

If the monkeys start pushing people off buildings that seems like an escalation? If war breaks out between the monkeys and the humans - I’d think we’d have a decisive advantage?

Yes, as soon as humans start dying from monkey attack someone will call wildlife control and either capture and move the monkeys (hopefully) or shoot them all.

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> I'm surprised about the stray dogs. It gets worse. A court recently ruled that Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods.

A good judgement in my view. Culling dogs isn't the right way to end this. Sterilize them and let them live their lives out. This is going to be the humane way of ending this menace that will also be culturally acceptable.

> A good judgement in my view.

Just so I'm clear: You think it's a good idea to foist the responsibility of feeding and looking after street dogs onto resident welfare associations? Many of which actually want them removed? Their member are being asked to pay up for the privilege of being harassed by dogs.

To quote none other than Mahatma Gandhi on the subject[0]:

> It is a sin, it should be a sin, to feed stray dogs, and we should save numerous dogs if we had legislation making every stray dog liable to be shot. Even if those who feed stray dogs consented to pay a penalty for their misdirected compassion we should be free from the curse of stray dogs. Humanity is a noble attribute of the soul. It is not exhausted with saving a few fish or a few dogs. Such saving may even be sinful. If I have a swarm of ants in my house, the man who proceeds to feed them will be guilty of a sin. For God has provided their grain for the ants, but the man who feeds them might destroy me and my family. The mahajan may feel itself safe and believe that it has saved their lives by dumping dogs near my field, but it will have committed the greater sin of putting my life in danger.

> Sterilize them and let them live their lives out.

Sterilization isn't going to come cheap. This will only end up diverting funds from municipal governments that are already perpetually short on funds.

> This is going to be the humane way of ending this menace that will also be culturally acceptable.

Except that it simply doesn't seem to be working. ABC measures have been going on in large cities for years but from what I can tell, the numbers just keep going up. There's a reason the rest of the civilized world culls strays. This is what India did too until Maneka Gandhi got her grubby paws on the AWBI. There isn't some deep seated cultural opposition to culling, it's the the result of morality pushed by privileged animal lovers. There are an estimated 6 million dog bites in the county each year. Most victims are children from poor families.

0: Section 448, Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Volume 36 https://www.gandhiashramsevagram.org/gandhi-literature/mahat...

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People have this funny idea that war is a human invention and that nature would be peaceful and quiet without us. But it turns out ants and termites have been at it for probably over 100 million years: https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/why-ants-and-termite...

Kurzgesagt has an ongoing, educational, animated series about the war of ants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3QTAgHlwEg

That seems to be a blatant ripoff from BBC Earth (6yo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdpGAdB_zpc

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I'm surprised about the stray dogs. The mosquitoes are being worked on.

> I'm surprised about the stray dogs. It gets worse. A court recently ruled that Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods.

>>Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods.

The best way to stop stray dog menace, just stop throwing food/organic waste on the streets.

Stray dogs quite literally survive on this, and I remember my childhood stray dogs used to be all pervasive during the days of corner garbage dumps here in Bangalore, now that we have garbage picking up waste from homes in most areas, they are almost non existent in those areas.

Take away their food, they go away.

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I'm not sure if monkeys experience revenge the way humans do. As one of the comments mentioned in the article, it's probably just a survival instinct.

I doubt that. Try shooting an arrow at a crow (obviously not killing it) or throw a stone at a group of monkeys the next time chance presents it self. Not a good idea. One of my childhood nemesis were a group of crows from a tree nearby at which I shot an arrow with a home made toy bow (none were even hit). Those things harassed me for months before eventually forgetting (forgiving?) the incident :)

Snakes too.

The general belief here in India is if you are hurting a snake, might as well kill it, and then burn it, just to be sure.

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> I'm surprised about the stray dogs. It gets worse. A court recently ruled that Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods.

>>Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods. The best way to stop stray dog menace, just stop throwing food/organic waste on the streets. Stray dogs quite literally survive on this, and I remember my childhood stray dogs used to be all pervasive during the days of corner garbage dumps here in Bangalore, now that we have garbage picking up waste fr…

> The best way to stop stray dog menace, just stop throwing food/organic waste on the streets.

I don't know to to respond to this. Garbage has nothing to do with it. There are now organized groups of people who literally drive around, feeding dogs in the streets: https://mylosrescue.com/feeding-initiatives/ In addition, the courts have imposed the obligation on RWAs to feed stray dogs if nobody else is doing so.

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