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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Yes, but (without being a scholar of religion) I had always assumed that Hinduism was far older than its oldest surviving texts, just as Judaism, in some form, is older than whatever year we date the Torah to.

it depends on what you call 'hinduism'. it's one of the world's most heterodox religions and has absorbed a huge amount of cultural tradition from at least 300 languages. The rig veda is probably what most people agree is one of the foundational texts of hinduism, but it dates to about 1500 BC. However, the vedas probably absorbed a lot of earlier cultural tradition from the indus valley civilization, especially wors…

I thought the jury was still out on whether the so called Pasupati seal actually shows Shiva

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We both are stronger and have more stamina than macaques. The biggest male adult macaques are 18kg. That’s probably more that the average adult can raise with one arm but not by much and I insist on average. That’s nothing exceptional for someone in shape. Considering the weight and power in a human leg, a swift kick would seriously harm and probably kill an average macaque. The issue is not strength here.

The average adult can't lift 18kg with one arm, even with improper posture? That's pretty sad if true.

Average adult would include women, which are much weaker than men. It is sad if it applied to just men.

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I'm not sure if monkeys experience revenge the way humans do. As one of the comments mentioned in the article, it's probably just a survival instinct.

I doubt that. Try shooting an arrow at a crow (obviously not killing it) or throw a stone at a group of monkeys the next time chance presents it self. Not a good idea. One of my childhood nemesis were a group of crows from a tree nearby at which I shot an arrow with a home made toy bow (none were even hit). Those things harassed me for months before eventually forgetting (forgiving?) the incident :)

been there with crows. they attack you for a month or so.

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The average adult can't lift 18kg with one arm, even with improper posture? That's pretty sad if true.

Average adult would include women, which are much weaker than men. It is sad if it applied to just men.

With one arm? I’m not sure, but with two arms certainly most women can do it.

18kg is the average weight of a 5 year old kid [1]. It’s pretty routine for women in childcare roles to pick up kids for various reasons.

1. https://www.disabled-world.com/calculators-charts/height-wei...

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I would expect most animals that still exist to at the very least not be a major threat to humans - because if they are, they tend to cease to exist.

As a side note, I've read that polar bears are one of the most fearless animal towards humans because they had so little interactions with us.

And if they knew what we were doing to their environment boy would they be pissed!

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Depends on your definition of major . Mosquitoes still exist despite nearly a million people dying from the diseases they transmit each yaar. Stray dogs in India are responsible for tens of thousands rabies deaths annually. Yet it's illegal to cull them.

I'm surprised about the stray dogs. The mosquitoes are being worked on.

> I'm surprised about the stray dogs.

It gets worse. A court recently ruled that Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods.

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These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying. But they cause heavy and serious nuisance. Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month. The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys. When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups…

> An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey. It is impossible. Still they don't attack. Are you positive? A chimpanzee: yes. A guerilla: indubitable. But a monkey? They seem like medium-sized dogs, that can move around quicker and more freely. They'll bite out your flesh, and perhaps maim you to a semi-serious degree (including infection), but I cannot fathom a monkey seriously killing a grown adult male human…

As an adult male, I’d rather not get my flesh bitten off or maimed. So I cannot engage in a fight with any monkey. The only fight that I would rather fight is one in which I have overwhelming odds of winning.

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If you are in doubt about this being revenge, because you think revenge is exclusively a human behavior, then have a look at the Gombe Chimpanzee War [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

People have this funny idea that war is a human invention and that nature would be peaceful and quiet without us. But it turns out ants and termites have been at it for probably over 100 million years: https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/why-ants-and-termite...

Kurzgesagt has an ongoing, educational, animated series about the war of ants:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3QTAgHlwEg

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post #296

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I'm surprised about the stray dogs. The mosquitoes are being worked on.

> I'm surprised about the stray dogs. It gets worse. A court recently ruled that Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods.

A good judgement in my view. Culling dogs isn't the right way to end this. Sterilize them and let them live their lives out.

This is going to be the humane way of ending this menace that will also be culturally acceptable.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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If you are in doubt about this being revenge, because you think revenge is exclusively a human behavior, then have a look at the Gombe Chimpanzee War [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

It could be a way of demonstrating fitness to mate. And with less risk of injury to your own family.
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