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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Philosophical question, assuming kt's not a fake news: are those monkeys "evil"? If they revenge is agains siblings of the aggressor or just dogs in general, I would say so. Looks like they are intelligent enough to be evil.

To begin to answer that you would need to start out by defining what you mean by ‘intelligent’ and ‘evil’, since both are subjective concepts that only exist relative to your perspective.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#92

I’d like to see these Monkeys try and capture my 54kg (129lb) Doberman. He is ridiculously strong, has broken a few collars and is impossible to move if he decides to stay put.

An article on the internet tickled the same insecurity trigger that led you to adopt a tough guy dog in the first place. Observe yourself a bit more.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#93

> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings how strong are these monkeys? I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?

Strength doesn't come into the picture with monkeys. They attack by biting and scratching and often from hidden places like tree tops or rooftops. In many parts of India, the dogs are afraid to even bark at them. That said, adult monkeys are pretty big (3.5-4 feet) and aren't all that light weight. Anecdotally, a baby monkey fell into our neighbors house through bars on the roof and a group of almost 100 monkeys surr…

well, the anxious animals got the baby back.. I am certain the monkeys did not ask nicely! but let's look at it differently, the monkey pack acted together right away for the safety of the smallest one.. did they hurt the humans? the story does not say that; a more aggressive animal would certainly hurt a human right away for the sake of a small one.. but those animals have been hunted and removed.. +1 monkeys from me

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#94

> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings how strong are these monkeys? I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?

All wild animals are stronger than they look. Humans are comparatively weak.. most of us can’t fight a deer. Monkeys are intelligent. They are aware of leverage and potential danger. They jump on people, chase, scratch and bite them

Any large dog is a lot to handle for most people should the dog get aggressive. Trained attack dogs demonstrate this quite well.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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> can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? I would say male adult monkeys in my village can (males are bigger and stronger), although they don’t. They are fast, agile and acrobatic. Except for well prepared adult humans, monkeys can throw everyone else off a ledge. Reason so many monkeys exist in India is because they are sacred animals (to Hindus, 80% population). In our village, no one can kill t…

Do you think this could change ?

yes, could happen.

modernity tends to change culture (and especially homogenization that the interwebs promotes), and india is modernizing rapidly especially cities. culture can change very rapidly.

that being said, hanuman (rama's monkey companion) is a important diety in hinduism, and has been worshipped for many thousands of years in india and other parts of southeast asia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanuman#Historical_development

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how strong are these monkeys? I believe the right question is, how intelligent and distempered are these monkeys? Intelligence > brawn Strength is mostly immaterial once I (as a hypothetical monkey) understand that I can use my agility to rip your eyeballs from their sockets, which then effectively removes your ability to pose a threat to me.

Weirdly specific.

It’s something primates do to human captors.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#97
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Philosophical question, assuming kt's not a fake news: are those monkeys "evil"? If they revenge is agains siblings of the aggressor or just dogs in general, I would say so. Looks like they are intelligent enough to be evil.

> evil > profoundly immoral and wicked. I think the concept that animal can be moral / immoral is already a philosophical subject. See the book "Can Animals Be Moral?" for reference. And in order to say that these monkeys are evil, you must first prove that they can be moral.

It depends on whether you view evil as something absolute or relative.

If evil is absolute, then an animal (or an entire species) can be seen as evil by nature. Another species may be seen as good or neutral by nature even if the animal itself has no sense of right or wrong.

It is indeed very philosophical and also up to your beliefs and values.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#99

> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings how strong are these monkeys? I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?

A small lovely looking gibbon can break your arm off your body easily.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#100

If an instinct or circuitry around revenge can exist in monkeys, I wonder if humans can ever fully escape that tendency, or if it is just built into who we are.

Of course we can; the point of having such huge brains is that we can override our animal instincts if we want to. Same reason you can convince yourself to jump off a cliff into water even if you're scared of heights. Or how you can convince yourself to skip meals to get your work done. Or to not physically fight someone when you're in a disagreement. Or to not cheat when in a relationship.

Not being slaves to our animals instincts is kind of what makes humans human.

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