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Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by YinglingLight »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #675
nogabebop23 wrote: post #605

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I think there's a sizeable group of people who found the quality of life poor prior to any shut downs or changes. SF is also not nearly as attractive to those starting a family compared to new grads and young single professionals. Combining these factors I see a significant permanent change if people can keep their high paying jobs and escape the physical proximity.

> SF is also not nearly as attractive to those starting a family compared to new grads and young single professionals. But that's been true for a long, long time about most major cities. Wasn't a big plot point in the ending of Friends in the 90s that Monica and Chandler were starting a family thus they were moving out to the suburbs? I don't see any big permanent change here except for perhaps people willing to relo…

Telework, as slow as it has been for adoption, has proven a 100% viable possibility for the majority of white collar careers, specifically tech careers, in this pandemic.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by moron4hire »

hnmullany wrote: post #656
foobarian wrote: post #590

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There are bars and restaurants and museums in hundreds of cities around the country. What makes the ones in SF so special? Or is it rather a tech gravity hole that was enabled by combination of chance and attractive climate?

The Bay Area has the highest concentration of Michelin stars in the country. The bars have great cocktails, decor and vibe. The SFMoma & DeYoung are first class museums as good as any city outside New York in the US.

Every major city likes to think their bar and restaurant scene is special and uniquely great.

They ain't.

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Post by YinglingLight »

Bud wrote: post #467
brian_cunnie wrote: post #449

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> Vehicle vandalism is extremely common and unchecked by police. I believe the problem is more nuanced. I spoke with a retired police officer, and he said, "we can only give them a citation, and they [the vandals] know that, that they're gonna be out the same day." In other words, the law is the problem, not the police.

"We can only give them a citation"? I think a big part of the issue is that the police almost never even do that much. They do zero . If you try to call this stuff in, they laugh at you.

Let's defund them some more, that'll show 'em.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by williesleg »

captaincole wrote: post #102

I am living in SF now and this confirms a very clear pattern that I have seen emerging, particularly of tech workers. I would say that >50% of the people I know who were living in the city have left, or are in the process of leaving. Some examples (there are countless): 1) All three of the roommates that I had are choosing to leave either permanently or temporarily. 2) A friend who works for google who is going on a…

The good news is the shit hole flee crew will bring their voting habits with them and turn the next place into a shit hole too! w00t!

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by yesimahuman »

always_left wrote: post #568

I’ve said it before, shame so many of you don’t appreciate SF. It’s not perfect but it’s so much better than where I grew up. To be able to go to Marin, Yosemite, Tahoe, Big Sur, etc. for a weekend is truly amazing. Granted I’m privileged I can go there and I’m not a night life person, it’s truly a dream for me. The city also has many pockets of nature that are huge (presidio, gg Park). I hope you find a place that m…

Plenty of people that absolutely love SF and also have zero interest in living there. The nature and beauty isn’t worth the other downsides to many (and some of us already get there regularly for work, at least pre-covid)

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Post by ihaveajob »

kelnos wrote: post #741
ihaveajob wrote: post #485

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The board of supervisors routinely rejects housing projects, or puts them up for an absurd review process that involve things like banning buildings if they cast a sliver of shadow on a park (which would on the other hand be tremendously welcome these days). Several supervisors are landlords who are personally invested in keeping the supply low so that prices keep rising. By contrast, Seattle has been building to kee…

And who do you think effectively controls the BoS and planning commission? Voters. Landowning voters. Because by and large, they want to maintain the status quo. (Full disclosure: I also own property in SF, but am in faor of all sorts of new housing, even that which will lower my home's value.)

Yes, especially in local elections, where participation is often ridiculously low, the electorate skews heavily toward long time, older residents, and more on the homeowner than the renter front. So the incentives are clear against new developments.

Edit: Thanks for supporting housing even against your financial interests. I’m on the same boat (across the bay). In my case I just want to live somewhere walkable without breaking the bank.

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Post by globular-toast »

wldlyinaccurate wrote: post #518
dongvsascript wrote: post #508

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i have an honest question here. i haven't lived in sf -just visited. i have however been to most states and about 40 countries for comparison. food - most of what i saw was not good food. hipsterish overpriced food made by chefs trying to show off by putting a twist on dishes -not to be good, just to be different or weird. tiny portions, not tasting above average, on a huge plate. all presentation, not actual taste.…

Is this a shitpost? I honestly can't tell. You start off by saying you've only ever visited SF and then go on to make a load of generalisations as if you know SF like the back of your hand. Also this: > there are very few attractive girls at bars, or at offices, or even on the street, compared to just about anywhere in the world. and if that's not why you go to bars, i have to ask -you'd enjoy going to bars with most…

People go out to have sex. Either you haven't noticed somehow (maybe you aren't old enough?) or you're deluding yourself that it's about something else. We're a sexual species. You exist because your parents met and had sex. It's just the way it is.

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #641
m_ke wrote: post #579

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I live in Brooklyn and have seen 2-3 business close a week around me. At this point almost every other storefront is vacant (many of which have been since before the pandemic). My hope is that this will bring down commercial real estate prices down significantly and create an opportunity for a lot more small businesses in a year or so, most of which I assume will be restaurants and other "experience" based shops. The…

That's great four months a year, but what about the rest of the year? No one can eat outdoors in 20F, or bike to work in the snow and ice. SF does have the advantage of year round biking weather.

Since when was NYC covered in snow and ice, 20°F weather EIGHT MONTHS OF THE YEAR

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

nostromo wrote: post #553
bamboozled wrote: post #40

Have others noticed this kind of "revolt against cities" attitude lately too? I do wonder if people consider the huge advantages city living can provide? I'm reading constantly that current dream is buying a plot of land in the middle no where, signing up for StarLink and growing watermelons while trying to work a full time engineering job. The thing is though, this is all just a temporary thing, even if this pandemi…

> this is all just a temporary thing, even if this pandemic meanders on for another 3-5 years. The last American urban exodus started in the 1950s and wasn't fully reversed until the early 2000s. Many cities never recovered in the Mid-Atlantic and Midwest. Even the most expensive cities, like San Francisco, LA, and New York, had neighborhoods that were run down and dilapidated, ignored for decades, until very recentl…

You’ve got it backwards. It’s the suburbs that are expensive.

Think about it: one mile of sewer, one mile of street, supports X people in a suburb, or 50X people in a dense city.

Even if the wear costs in the city are double or even four times that, the city comes out way ahead.

https://mikethemadbiologist.com/2016/11/10/meanwhile-u-s-sub...

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

hhmc wrote: post #784
dongvsascript wrote: post #715

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it's not about a pickup joint. when i go out, i enjoy women in the crowd. i know it's hard for you to understand with your large anime and mgtow collection, but men like to hang out with a good mix of women -for the company, not just the sex. heck, even my wife doesn't like a bar full of guys. and no one likes a saturday night hangout that closes at 1am. that's not a bar -that's a daycare. the drinks you described do…

Gay men certainly enjoy bars full of guys, which your wildly heteronormative claim seemed to forget.

Oh please. I'm gay, and this comment is ridiculous. You mean gay men enjoy being in bars where there are other people who they are sexually attracted to and who could be sexually attracted to them. Which is exactly the parent commenter's point. It's obvious the parent commenter is speaking about things from his own perspective, which doesn't make it some sort of "heteronormative" crime, it just means he's straight.
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