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Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

m_ke wrote: post #579
ssalazar wrote: post #555

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Many of the bars, restaurants, and smaller cultural institutions will be gone. The larger, well-funded museums and nature will stay of course. But much of what is interesting about a city comes from the people who live there and shape its culture. The San Francisco of today is very different from 10 or 20 years ago, and will be very different 10 years from now. This is recoverable, sure, but its not guaranteed, and i…

I live in Brooklyn and have seen 2-3 business close a week around me. At this point almost every other storefront is vacant (many of which have been since before the pandemic). My hope is that this will bring down commercial real estate prices down significantly and create an opportunity for a lot more small businesses in a year or so, most of which I assume will be restaurants and other "experience" based shops. The…

That's great four months a year, but what about the rest of the year? No one can eat outdoors in 20F, or bike to work in the snow and ice. SF does have the advantage of year round biking weather.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by defnotashton2 »

nogabebop23 wrote: post #601
radicaldreamer wrote: post #530

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Only in the short to medium term... the characteristics which make SF an attractive place to live (just like NYC) are resilient and sticky. If you consider a post-covid world 5 years from now, do you think that SF with it's museums, bars, restaurants, and proximity to nature will be an unattractive place to live? Do you think that remote-first/remote-only companies where the majority of employees are outside of the b…

>> This is a blip. It could be a major blip So if it's a 10 or 20 year "major" blip does that make it longer than "temporary"? Locals tend to go to museums once or never, lots of places have good bars and restaurants and the idea of SF having a proximity to real nature is a joke. I guess time will tell if you, I or someone else is ultimately correct, but the pull of SF was the jobs above all else; if that's gone then…

As an sf visitor, it's a bit of oasis, it's like 68f year around, beaches and sunny...

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by mark-r »

m_ke wrote: post #579
ssalazar wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of the bars, restaurants, and smaller cultural institutions will be gone. The larger, well-funded museums and nature will stay of course. But much of what is interesting about a city comes from the people who live there and shape its culture. The San Francisco of today is very different from 10 or 20 years ago, and will be very different 10 years from now. This is recoverable, sure, but its not guaranteed, and i…

I live in Brooklyn and have seen 2-3 business close a week around me. At this point almost every other storefront is vacant (many of which have been since before the pandemic). My hope is that this will bring down commercial real estate prices down significantly and create an opportunity for a lot more small businesses in a year or so, most of which I assume will be restaurants and other "experience" based shops. The…

My midwestern city is out of bikes too, but it isn't because of a surge in demand. It's because all the bikes were made in China, and supply has slowed to a trickle.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by PhoenixReborn »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #513
ravenstine wrote: post #47

Putting any valid criticism of this article aside, anecdotally, I know a bunch of people who have either left or are in the process of leaving California in the last few months. One of them just left SF. In other news, one of my cousins is seriously working towards moving out of NY. 3 of my team members have moved to smaller parts of the country. Simply speaking, my gut tells me this isn't just about San Francisco. T…

>Simply speaking, my gut tells me this isn't just about San Francisco. It's not. I live in the Northeast and it seems like every day on the local news there is a story about businesses and residents fleeing NYC. 5 months of WFH (and knowing a lot of people personally touched by Covid) is starting to reshape a lot of attitudes about what is really important in life. It's also opened a lot of eyes to the fact that comp…

NYC being a large city, the story is slightly more nuanced than that. There has definitely been a large exodus from Manhattan and Brooklyn, but less so from Queens (where I live, and which was much less tech-centric even before the pandemic).

That being said, I do agree that the genie probably can't be put back in the bottle and there will be an at least semi-permanent shift of people away from cities.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by jdkardia »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #641
m_ke wrote: post #579

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I live in Brooklyn and have seen 2-3 business close a week around me. At this point almost every other storefront is vacant (many of which have been since before the pandemic). My hope is that this will bring down commercial real estate prices down significantly and create an opportunity for a lot more small businesses in a year or so, most of which I assume will be restaurants and other "experience" based shops. The…

That's great four months a year, but what about the rest of the year? No one can eat outdoors in 20F, or bike to work in the snow and ice. SF does have the advantage of year round biking weather.

I would beg to differ. 3 season biking is easy as pie, and 4 season with just a little effort. there was only maybe a month out of the year I couldn't bike to work in Minneapolis or Chicago, all it takes is infrastructure and the right gear.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by spicyramen »

For tech workers, living in SF is affordable, but not worth it. If you move to a place and pay 1/4 of what you pay u can save for that house way faster. Question is after summer 2021 what will happen. In South Bay specifically in North San Jose you star seeing an alarming number of offices/buildings for lease... definitely a crash in that area is happening soon.

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Post by ojbyrne »

OldHand2018 wrote: post #636
ojbyrne wrote: post #528

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You don’t have to “rescind your foreign citizenship” to become a US citizen.

Unless something has changed in the past few years, you kind-of-sort-of-maybe need to do that. The US doesn't actually enforce anything like it, but all of my naturalized coworkers were required to surrender their previous passport when they took the oath of US citizenship. The US gives the passport back to the home country. Canada mails it back to you and says you are still Canadian too, while China does not and say…

My wife (dual Canadian/US) got her US citizenship 2 years ago. Nothing like what you describe happened.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by dongvsascript »

dragonwriter wrote: post #632
dongvsascript wrote: post #600

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heh. food scene. i don't want a 'food scene.' i just want good food. i don't care if it's on 3 plates with sauce designs, i don't care if it looks like a beef-flower, or if it photographs well for my 'stream.' btw the british school of cuisine is one of the most famous in the world. not scene-wise though, but good food is for eating, not instagram. sf is definitely not known for tasty food. it's known for showing off…

> sf is definitely not known for tasty food. Yes, it is. It's mostly orthogonal to the trendy food scene, and if you follow the latter hoping to find the former you’ll likely be disappointed, but SF is known for excellent examples of both a wide variety of authentic ethnic cuisines and a wide variety of excellent unique creative/fusion offerings apart from the trendy scene.

so what is that food?

the south is known for great bbq. chicago is the meat capitol, with deep dish and greektown. maryland for crab and maine for lobster, nyc has authentic jew-food that rivals what i ate in israel and jordan.

what is the food sf is known for? because if i literally ask anyone i know, the answer will be 'fusion.' or 'pizza' with ranch and lettuce in it.

you're known for california rolls. the big mac of sushi.

known doesn't mean known just to you.

you may have some good restaurants here and there that people can uber to. the rest is fusion of hipster and lsd microdoses.

in a city i want to live in, i walk outside and pick from 5 good places. you take an uber across town to those. people are leaving now that work doesn't require them there. to a cities with better food.

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