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Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by dongvsascript »

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i said what i noticed from my 3 weeks there over 2 trips, which was contrary to what op claimed. i presented my observations asking if they were not normal for sf. so you consider a sausage festival at every bar you go ok, but not enjoying that sausagefest is awful. i think i just solved a mystery of my own. not that there's anything wrong with that, just not something that appeals to most males.

Have you considered that not all of the people you're talking to here are men?

never

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by diebeforei485 »

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The article actually notes this: > It should be noted that San Francisco had an unusually low inventory relative to other large cities prior to the pandemic. Historically, the ratio of homes for sale relative to total housing has been a quarter of New York's. But then they go on to assert that this is important regardless, but don't actually provide any information to back it up. > Regardless, the 96% year on year ch…

If you're a renter and you when lease renewal time comes up and you see twice as many open units in your apartment, wouldn't you also bargain more aggressively with your landlord? Conversely, if you're a building manager and you an X% occupancy rate target, you're going to need to cut prices in order to maintain that rate if a bunch of tenants don't renew. This is pretty much textbook microeconomics 101. Going a bit…

Depends. Some landlords are not worth it and it's better to leave.

That said, a lot of folks in SF are on month-to-month leases so they can just give a 30-day notice and peace out.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by diebeforei485 »

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Yeah, the SF Board of Supervisors refuses to change the current zoning regime.

It’s totally the bos and not the nimby residents. /s

It's not really the residents as a whole. It's a small number of loud people who block change.

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Post by asveikau »

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Not all of us have the opportunity to just up and leave the US, unfortunately.

I hope US cities wake up, become humble, and actually try to fix the deep hole of social issues they’ve dug themselves into. Best I can say is be active and vocal in your local government, since that’s where these messed up policies come from and you have a lot more power to impact your city than you do the federal government.

Is it really cities that dug the hole?

What about the fact that, nation-wide, many Americans don't have access to good jobs? Especially people without college degrees, but not even limited to that. This is an economy-wide problem. The federal government could probably do something to better address that than a city government.

How about that we generally fail at mental health care, or health care in general? The former is clearly applicable to many homeless folks who are visibly suffering. The latter is a huge cost for many people, drives many personal bankruptcies, etc.

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Post by dongvsascript »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #670
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i said what i noticed from my 3 weeks there over 2 trips, which was contrary to what op claimed. i presented my observations asking if they were not normal for sf. so you consider a sausage festival at every bar you go ok, but not enjoying that sausagefest is awful. i think i just solved a mystery of my own. not that there's anything wrong with that, just not something that appeals to most males.

Okay, I'm gonna let you in on a shocking secret. Ready? Lean in close so this doesn't get out. Some people go to bars... to drink. Crazy, right? I know! But it's true, I swear. And it turns out San Francisco has -- well, at least pre-pandemic -- bars that make really good drinks. Smuggler's Cove is hands down one of the best tiki bars in the world. Rickhouse is a great (if crowded) new-deal whiskey bar, right around…

it's not about a pickup joint. when i go out, i enjoy women in the crowd. i know it's hard for you to understand with your large anime and mgtow collection, but men like to hang out with a good mix of women -for the company, not just the sex. heck, even my wife doesn't like a bar full of guys. and no one likes a saturday night hangout that closes at 1am. that's not a bar -that's a daycare. the drinks you described do seem appropriate for a daycare.

that wonderful experience you just went on about? yeah, no one wants that if they can help it. lift some weights, acne cream, shave with a razor not a hair trimmer, maybe a nosejob. and if you go somewhere only to, you know, drink, maybe time to start some aa meetings instead of a bar.

people of all sexes go to bars to socialize, not to drink. alcoholics go to bars to drink.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by rswail »

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> People are leaving because quality of life has fallen dramatically and the only thing keeping people in SF was their offices. What are these quality of life issues, and how have other cities avoided them?

Here's a short list to get you started: - Homeless issues. Mentally ill people pissing and defecating on the sidewalks in every significant public space. - Vehicle vandalism is extremely common and unchecked by police. - Extremely high income taxes with no perceivable difference in government-provided services. - Property tax law that advantages long-term owners over young people trying to buy at today's inflated pri…

Homeless issues: Provide homes and mental health facilities

Who are the vandals? Why are they vandalizing? Are they related to the homeless problem?

Income/Property Taxes: Vote

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Post by CardenB »

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> Being a single, young(ish) guy, it still makes sense to be in a city. A city, yes. SF? No. By far it's the worst place for this I've ever seen.

What's a good US city to live in?

For a single guy? New York. DC.

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Post by throwawaywrench »

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i have an honest question here. i haven't lived in sf -just visited. i have however been to most states and about 40 countries for comparison. food - most of what i saw was not good food. hipsterish overpriced food made by chefs trying to show off by putting a twist on dishes -not to be good, just to be different or weird. tiny portions, not tasting above average, on a huge plate. all presentation, not actual taste.…

as someone who's lived in SF for years this is all very true. Food is expensive and a lot of it's designed to be instagrammed. There are definitely some great spots but not that many and really not that diverse (lacks middle eastern, greek, british, American bbq, spanish) Nightlife is horrible, bars pretty much close at 1am, hardly any live music, gender imbalance, and not much density so it often just feels "dead" i…

>Nightlife is horrible, bars pretty much close at 1am

Serious question. Are there many night clubs and any day clubs? I was last out so late/early quite a few years ago but in most (possibly all?) Australian cities there are night clubs that were open through the night until 6am. I can recall one place in Melbourne that opened at, I think, midnight and didn't kick people out until 10am.

There were also a few day clubs in Sydney and Melbourne, which are like a night club but not opening until night clubs are just closing.

Personally, I've not been to San Francisco. I'm just staggered that given the cities fame the night life is so constrained.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by m0zg »

One thing about real estate (and therefore rents) is that it can go up _and_ down _at the same time_ in different segments. That's what I learned when buying my house at the trough of the recession in 2009 or so. Higher end stuff tends to be pretty much unaffected, but for the lower end the bottom falls out. So I'd avoid drawing any broad generalizations.
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