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Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by mistersquid »

p1mrx wrote: post #367
baron816 wrote: post #327

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Alternate experience: I just moved into SF a week ago from elsewhere in the Bay. I was able to get a large, modern, luxury 1BR in a decent location for under $3K + almost a 1 month concession and no deposit. Being a single, young(ish) guy, it still makes sense to be in a city. I have more space than I need now, and I can afford the rent. Maybe things aren’t that nice right now, but I’m hoping they’ll get back to semi…

But you're just renting... won't the price skyrocket when things go back to normal?

> won't the price skyrocket when things go back to normal?

California adopted statewide rent control as of 1 January 2020. [0] If not already under rent control, rental units older than 15 years are now under rent control.

[0] https://la.curbed.com/2019/9/24/20868937/california-rent-con...

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by gravypod »

captaincole wrote: post #102

I am living in SF now and this confirms a very clear pattern that I have seen emerging, particularly of tech workers. I would say that >50% of the people I know who were living in the city have left, or are in the process of leaving. Some examples (there are countless): 1) All three of the roommates that I had are choosing to leave either permanently or temporarily. 2) A friend who works for google who is going on a…

> What I am seeing here is very clear also. The SIP order has removed many of the greatest parts of SF, the food, the bars, the culture, the density to be able to go anywhere and see your friends easily, and whats left are many of the problems that the city has, trash, homelessness, and exorbitant housing prices.

For an introvert who hates these sorts of things, and wants to own a house, I'm hoping companies stay this way and people become more open to remote work.

I feel no benifit from living in NYC or SF but I need to be close to these places for work. I hope that if things continue o can buy a house in and just work from home. Never needing to worry about commuting again.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by reaperducer »

jlaurend wrote: post #491
reaperducer wrote: post #452

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SF is basically the only city nearby that isn’t awful Can you expound on this for someone who does not live in that area?

A large portion of jobs in the bay area are in Silicon Valley which is south of SF and comprised of cities like San Jose, Palo Alto, and Sunnyvale. For someone seeking the amenities of a global city like SF, none of the other cities in the bay area come remotely close. They're all generally quiet, clean, suburban locales except San Jose which is a sprawling mid-sized city but still nothing like SF for someone wanting…

You know how you can tell a city is world class? When you don't have to tell people it's a world class city.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by dongvsascript »

wldlyinaccurate wrote: post #518
dongvsascript wrote: post #508

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i have an honest question here. i haven't lived in sf -just visited. i have however been to most states and about 40 countries for comparison. food - most of what i saw was not good food. hipsterish overpriced food made by chefs trying to show off by putting a twist on dishes -not to be good, just to be different or weird. tiny portions, not tasting above average, on a huge plate. all presentation, not actual taste.…

Is this a shitpost? I honestly can't tell. You start off by saying you've only ever visited SF and then go on to make a load of generalisations as if you know SF like the back of your hand. Also this: > there are very few attractive girls at bars, or at offices, or even on the street, compared to just about anywhere in the world. and if that's not why you go to bars, i have to ask -you'd enjoy going to bars with most…

i said what i noticed from my 3 weeks there over 2 trips, which was contrary to what op claimed. i presented my observations asking if they were not normal for sf.

so you consider a sausage festival at every bar you go ok, but not enjoying that sausagefest is awful.

i think i just solved a mystery of my own. not that there's anything wrong with that, just not something that appeals to most males.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by zapita »

dongvsascript wrote: post #508
captaincole wrote: post #102

I am living in SF now and this confirms a very clear pattern that I have seen emerging, particularly of tech workers. I would say that >50% of the people I know who were living in the city have left, or are in the process of leaving. Some examples (there are countless): 1) All three of the roommates that I had are choosing to leave either permanently or temporarily. 2) A friend who works for google who is going on a…

i have an honest question here. i haven't lived in sf -just visited. i have however been to most states and about 40 countries for comparison. food - most of what i saw was not good food. hipsterish overpriced food made by chefs trying to show off by putting a twist on dishes -not to be good, just to be different or weird. tiny portions, not tasting above average, on a huge plate. all presentation, not actual taste.…

> culture was when i lived in versailles

As someone who actually lived in Versailles, this made me laugh outloud. It’s a boring upper-class suburb which happens to have a big castle in it. Culturally it’s at the same level as the Hamptons, just with older buildings and more royalists.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by kikokikokiko »

cellis wrote: post #469
sneak wrote: post #460

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If the same people were smashing the windows at Starbucks or Walgreens each day, the police response would suddenly be totally different. The police prioritize protecting the property rights of large landowners, first and always. Don’t buy their excuses.

Wrong. A law was passed specifically making crimes of less than $1000 a misdemeanor.

Exactly. You can see loads of videos online of 5, 10 people, entering a regular Whole Foods or 7-Eleven and simply looting the place and leaving without pay. This kind of thing doesn't even happen in 3rd world countries like where I live, its's baffling to see what a huge american metropolis is allowing to happen in the name of political correctness.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by myrandomcomment »

It is not just SF, but the whole Bay Area. My power is out now for the 2nd time in 3 days. The first 2pm Friday until 3am Saturday and now since around 3am Sunday until ... well it’s 6pm and no end in sight. The infrastructure is crap here. I was on the edge before, but I am over now. 2 more years so the kid can finish school and we are leaving. While it has been hard managing a team without the ability to have a whiteboard session, we seem to be dealing with it. No reason to stay anymore. I just hope I can sell my stupidly over priced house for what I paid for it in 2 years.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by jaggederest »

angrais wrote: post #511
01100011 wrote: post #439

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Why would I want to live in a city and compete with the best of the best? I don't want my kids to go to a top school in an urban environment. I want them to do well in an above-average suburban school and have access to recreational activities outside the city. I want to live an affordable life that allows me to save and build wealth. I want a good work/life balance. I don't see the city providing me any of that. The…

What's stressful about living in the city for you?

What isn't? Noise, traffic, expense, crowding, lack of green space, no sense of community, it's just an extremely hostile environment for human neurology.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrn3079

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by gravypod »

baron816 wrote: post #327
captaincole wrote: post #102

I am living in SF now and this confirms a very clear pattern that I have seen emerging, particularly of tech workers. I would say that >50% of the people I know who were living in the city have left, or are in the process of leaving. Some examples (there are countless): 1) All three of the roommates that I had are choosing to leave either permanently or temporarily. 2) A friend who works for google who is going on a…

Alternate experience: I just moved into SF a week ago from elsewhere in the Bay. I was able to get a large, modern, luxury 1BR in a decent location for under $3K + almost a 1 month concession and no deposit. Being a single, young(ish) guy, it still makes sense to be in a city. I have more space than I need now, and I can afford the rent. Maybe things aren’t that nice right now, but I’m hoping they’ll get back to semi…

You can rent-to-own a 6br house on a 6k+ sqft lot with a detached garage in NJ with a ~1hr commute to Manhattan for $3,500/month in NJ. $3k/month on an apartment gets you a luxury huge 2 to 3 bedroom with in unit w/d and bowling/swimming in the basement or something in Hoboken with a Thinking 36k/year (more then the total comp of many workers in America) is cheap housing is a Bay-area distortion.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by annexrichmond »

dmode wrote: post #484
fortran77 wrote: post #422

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And what does SF have for people who don't care about the "bars and culture?" Not much. I spend a half the year in my Sunnyvale, CA home. I never go to SF to see shows, concerts, etc. Several times a year, when I'm in the U.S., I'll put together a trip to NY, LA, etc, to see several events over a long weekend. And/or go to Tanglewood, Monterey Jazz, Cabrillo music festivals. People who visit me are shocked to learn t…

There is no way SF had 2.5x violent crime. SF is exceptionally safe when it comes to violent crime, with only ~40 homicides last year

To be fair, he said crime rate
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