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Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by Camillo »

Bud wrote: post #467
brian_cunnie wrote: post #449

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> Vehicle vandalism is extremely common and unchecked by police. I believe the problem is more nuanced. I spoke with a retired police officer, and he said, "we can only give them a citation, and they [the vandals] know that, that they're gonna be out the same day." In other words, the law is the problem, not the police.

"We can only give them a citation"? I think a big part of the issue is that the police almost never even do that much. They do zero . If you try to call this stuff in, they laugh at you.

Because it would be a complete waste of time. The people have voted to decriminalize vehicle break-ins. Making the police to go through the motions when nothing's going to happen to the perpetrator would just be a waste of your own tax money.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by electriclove »

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How did you make the move? Are you Japanese or Asian? I would love to move to Tokyo or similar but feel I would be discriminated against for being a dark skinned Indian male.

I’m half southeast Asian, which is different enough people can tell if they get close, but close enough that I can blend in in a crowd. It depends where in Japan you’re moving to as well - but being in Tokyo it’s definitely global and people are generally used to foreigners. Your mileage may vary being more visibly “different”, as well as you motivation to learn Japanese/local customs (I’m pretty conversational, whic…

Thanks for the response. I think I wouldn't be too sensitive regarding being treated different but I would feel more sensitive to how my wife and kids experience it. It's the same issue keeping me away from places in the US like Idaho and Montana.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by pb7 »

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San Francisco has functional public transit which escapes almost every American city and the cool neighborhoods are in fact quite dense, like the Mission. This is why people view it as one of the most walkable cities in America even though it may not be a compact area built around a train station like much of Europe, for example. I would like that, but that’s not how any of America is. You went to a few sushi roll pl…

i did not go to mission, so my comment about density may not be correct. which is why i asked. that's one neighborhood though. as far as sake.. i don't drink anymore, for a while now, but you're wrong. serving it warm brings out the taste, and makes any cheap nastiness worse. serving it cold is what hides it. having a store that only sells sake does not make it 'the store for sake.' there are many stores stateside th…

Honestly, I can’t take anything you said seriously if during your 3 weeks here you didn’t step foot into one of the most unique/distinctive neighborhoods in the city and then proceed to berate the availability of tasty food. I read all of your comments here and was trying to decide whether you were uniquely knowledgeable or full of shit and this right here tells the whole story. I have also been all around the world and SF has a wide collection of high quality cuisines from all around the world — not just Japanese food in Tokyo and Russian food in Moscow.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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jaggederest wrote: post #548
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What's stressful about living in the city for you?

What isn't? Noise, traffic, expense, crowding, lack of green space, no sense of community, it's just an extremely hostile environment for human neurology. https://www.nature.com/articles/nrn3079

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Post by davidgay »

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If you think San Francisco has poor quality food, you clearly haven’t spent much time there (as you admit) or you don’t have very discerning taste. California grows the majority of the country’s produce and most everyone else is getting the same ingredients a few days later. Farm to table is the standard instead of something that starts at $25/plate like in most US cities The city could be more dense in some areas bu…

The majority of the country's produce? I call bullshit.

https://vegetablegrowersnews.com/news/3-states-produced-76-p...

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Post by VRay »

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Do you live in the Bay Area? Your take doesn’t match my experience at all... * Most of my friends are members of one museum (or have season tickets to SHN/SFJazz/etc) * Most of my friends go hiking in Marin or Big Basin or whenever at least once a month, and spend a weekend somewhere like Big Sur or Yosemite a couple times a year. Bay Area nature is unparalleled. SF may be in a tough place for a while, but don’t unde…

> Bay Area nature is unparalleled Puget Sound and Denver metros might disagree

This is ridiculous. Basically every city in the USA is within a couple hours' drive of "amazing nature"

The only reason I live in the Bay Area is because my net worth goes up WAY more here per year than it does elsewhere.. If that changes, I'm out

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Post by derwiki »

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lmao at the idea of caring about $20k when you make $250k

It's expensive being well off. If you make $250k a year, you take home $159k in SF. A big chunk of that goes to cost of living such that the $20k means one of your two kids can't go to the college they want because it's $50k per year, and you don't qualify for financial aid.

Unless I’m mistaken, there are colleges that are less than 50k/year.

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Post by zapita »

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If you are talking about the board of supervisors, I agree. They are to blame for many of the city’s problems, mostly because their most politically active constituents and donors are angry homeowners who block everything. The current mayor London Breed has been doing good work, her handling of the covid-19 crisis in particular has been excellent. The problem is that most supervisors hate her and block her every step…

I disagree about the mayor. But since I am not SF resident I won’t argue. I hope you enjoy what you are getting

Out of curiosity, if you’re not a SF resident, what are you basing your disagreement on? Do you live in a nearby city that is affected by SF policies?

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Post by Camillo »

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Alternate experience: I just moved into SF a week ago from elsewhere in the Bay. I was able to get a large, modern, luxury 1BR in a decent location for under $3K + almost a 1 month concession and no deposit. Being a single, young(ish) guy, it still makes sense to be in a city. I have more space than I need now, and I can afford the rent. Maybe things aren’t that nice right now, but I’m hoping they’ll get back to semi…

> Being a single, young(ish) guy, it still makes sense to be in a city. A city, yes. SF? No. By far it's the worst place for this I've ever seen.

What's a good US city to live in?

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Post by burfog »

hnmullany wrote: post #656
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There are bars and restaurants and museums in hundreds of cities around the country. What makes the ones in SF so special? Or is it rather a tech gravity hole that was enabled by combination of chance and attractive climate?

The Bay Area has the highest concentration of Michelin stars in the country. The bars have great cocktails, decor and vibe. The SFMoma & DeYoung are first class museums as good as any city outside New York in the US.

The SFMoma & DeYoung are not first class museums. They have modern art. New York may beat San Francisco, but it is not particularly good.

The winning city, without any doubt, is Washington, D.C.

Also beating San Francisco:

  Houston, TX
  Huntsville, AL
  Pearlington, MS
  Kennedy Space Center, FL
  Dayton, OH
  Seattle, WA
  San Diego, CA
  Chantilly, VA
  Ashland, NE
Unless you actually go to the same museum again and again, your own city doesn't matter. To see different things, you have to travel to different cities. The best city is thus one with lots of cheap direct flights to the cities with museums. That would likely be Denver, Dallas, Chicago, or Atlanta.
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