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> Well, the US government wont make my family disappear if I don’t cooperate, for starters. Right, if you're a U.S citizen maybe not, otherwise they'll do that and worse, read on "enhanced integrations", kidnappings etc. So the U.S is better domestically, (still employs prisoners as effectively slave labor, treats minorities harshly, lets people die due to lack of healthcare...), but it is worse in terms of foreign p…
a free press and free elections make it not so much of a wash
Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia
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#542Earlier quoted context omitted.
Assuming you aren’t native Chinese or don’t have lots of friends in China, you don’t seem to understand what the parent said about nationalism rises. No China’s nationalism WAS NOT this high before, (the parade etc) you saw before is organized and it’s actually quite small considering the scale of China. Common people were normally cynical and only act patriotic at occasions where they really have to. Things are frea…
Is there debate about this on the Chinese net? I'm curious because I don't know, but I imagine having a debate where people can genuinely criticize China would be difficult to conduct in the face of censorship and legal risk. I ask because my experience across the Western net has been seeing lots of debate. This thread is a good example. I only see Chinese netizens appear in huge angry voting brigades, spamming threa…
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> "You haven't really done OpSec have you? There is very little absolutism in defining who gets access to what data. In fact barring nations that have historically shared data with their governments is exactly one step closer to how you would achieve this." When was the last time you've contracted for a serious client? When it comes to tech - you don't implement "OpSec" by blanket banning hiring Chinese/Russian indiv…
> When was the last time you've contracted for a serious client? Uhh, today? I have about 20 on-going contracts with "serious clients", which include manufacturers, distributors, software companies, etc. What's your point? > When it comes to tech - you don't implement "OpSec" by blanket banning hiring Chinese/Russian individuals. Disregarding your bizarre definition of "OpSec" Banning hiring from countries isn't an e…
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I have several friends from Xinjiang, yes, they complain about some (who don't complain about their government in life? As far as I know, Utopia is still a dream on the planet), but they feel good, even proud of their government. One of them, a girl, even volunteered in the rehearsal for the National Day parade. For Tibetan, the government freed them from the old cult (you may don't know their nobles used to wear sla…
Your friends are presumably not detained for continuing to believe in the religions of their parents, so they're going to have a more positive outlook based on the state of the economy. Even if you think that it's desirable for the government to try to accelerate secularization with its "re-education camps," the implementation is guaranteed to cause a lot of suffering. The rushed timeline for construction, involuntar…
I doubt the existence of the so-called "re-education camps", but I don't have enough evidence to prove it's a lie. (I think is hard to prove a thing don't exist, for example, I'm an atheist but I can't prove the absence of any god)
"杨永信" and "豫章书院" is never supported by the mainstream opinion, their existence only indicate there are a bunch of people don't know how to raise their kids, and blame their children's disobedience for so-called "Internet addiction". Many Chinese people hope the government put an end to "杨永信" and "豫章书院", but I don't know why they don't. However, this issue is not akin to Xinjiang and Tibet issues because there's no religious or minority involved.
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#546Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the USA has an independent media that is very critical of its government while China doesn't (at least not on the scale as the USA's main stream media). I mean maybe if you're a conspiracy theorist you could say it's just controlled opposition or a distraction, but in the context of this argument at least the US media is unafraid to criticize or even just straight up mock the government and it's leaders, that…
Considering the US media completely swallowed the WMD lies and that the most popular news outlet in America is Fox News (WTF) which has all the characteristics of a state run channel... the US media hasn't done a very good job of speaking truth to power. The current Presidency has put some of these issues in sharper contrast, but the Iraq war was a total failure of the US media to do their job (IMO).
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#547Earlier quoted context omitted.
Be careful. This way you may end up justifying terrorist attacks against American citizens coming as a retribution for the foreign policy and military adventures of the democratically elected American government.
WAT?
Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia
#548I wrote another comment arguing that this proposal was both racist and discriminatory, which got flagged and deleted without explanation, presumably because I worded it in such a way as to give an example that might resonate more with Americans by using examples of specific groups of people that have experienced oppression in the US. In the interests of quality discussion on HN, I'm going to make another attempt but…
The threat model isn't "Russian developer who wants to support their family." The threat model is "Russian government." I agree with and support the laws prohibiting discrimination against people for race, religion, etc., but I don't think this is related to any of the criteria you cited. As far as I can tell, GitLab is enthusiastic about promoting diversity [0]. It's based on country of residence; Americans living in Russia would be blocked and Russians living in America would not. Frankly, I think they should consider putting Australia on the list too [1].
It's not an issue of discrimination based on race, sexual orientation, religion, physical appearance, age, marital status, or ethnicity.
[0] https://about.gitlab.com/company/culture/inclusion/ [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-46463029
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#549Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have several friends from Xinjiang, yes, they complain about some (who don't complain about their government in life? As far as I know, Utopia is still a dream on the planet), but they feel good, even proud of their government. One of them, a girl, even volunteered in the rehearsal for the National Day parade. For Tibetan, the government freed them from the old cult (you may don't know their nobles used to wear sla…
Your friends are presumably not detained for continuing to believe in the religions of their parents, so they're going to have a more positive outlook based on the state of the economy. Even if you think that it's desirable for the government to try to accelerate secularization with its "re-education camps," the implementation is guaranteed to cause a lot of suffering. The rushed timeline for construction, involuntar…
1. While the Constitution of the People's Republic of China does protect religious freedom, this is only under the condition that the religious beliefs in question do not disturb the social order, cause bodily harm or obstruct the national education system. That means in practice, people will be detained for beliefs that are considered too extremist.
2. Would you believe me that they exist if I called them "education centers" instead? Try searching for 教培中心 in http://www.xinhuanet.com/politics/2019-03/18/c_1124247196.ht... It is described quite clearly that people can be brought to these centers even if their extremist beliefs do not otherwise amount to a crime.
3. I specifically brought up "杨永信" and "豫章书院" because they don't involve minorities. I didn't mean that they were mainstream in the sense that most people would approve of their methods, but there's definitely widespread concern about students spending too much time on the internet and too little studying. It's just that most schools take a less brutal approach to the problem and confiscate their student's phones instead of using torture.
Given your statement that
> Many Chinese people hope the government put an end to "杨永信" and "豫章书院", but I don't know why they don't.
consider that many Uyghur people hope the government put an end to the conditions in those "education centers" and don't know why they don't.
4. Do tell me if any of this is unconvincing. I'm still working on an airtight argument that is acceptable for someone with the perspective that the CPC is trying to do good in principle.
Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia
#550It's immoral to discriminate on the basis of fear, prejudice, and rumor. One client can demand that Gitlab get rid of Chinese and Russian nationals today. Tomorrow, a different client can make similar demands - aimed at the nationals of different countries. This makes no sense whatsoever, and will blow out of control quickly. Sanction programs are the established legal frameworks for such things: https://www.treasury…
Except for the fact that state-sponsored hacking and IP theft is a real thing. Your comment reads as naive and extremely uninformed. I would invite you to read the Huawei "Tappy" indictment [1] to understand the lengths that certain nations go to steal from US companies. Here we have a company that is literally offering cash bonuses to their employees for stealing IP.
> the systems should be tight enough to make sure absolutely no-one has access to customer data without consent
If you read the indictment, you'll realize that these rogue employees don't care about audit logging or any punishment that follows as a result of getting caught. In many cases, all they have to do is fly back to their country and they'll be rewarded and regarded as heroes for their loyalty to their country.
[1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1124996/downl...