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Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by munmaek »

lentil_soup wrote: post #375
munmaek wrote: post #352

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Who is being racist here? Criticizing a government apparatus isn’t racist. I don’t know why every single time a westerner criticizes the PRC, they act like we hate all Chinese people. Nobody here has a problem with Chinese people in general. Hopefully all of us can separate a nation’s people from their government... The problem is with the PRC’s government.

"Nobody here has a problem with Chinese people in general" The link this whole discussion is about is about banning Chinese people. Not the government, not even people that work for the government, just "Chinese people in general"

...because of the PRC.

This whole discussion is because of the PRC, and having ties to family members living under the PRC.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by yourbandsucks »

munmaek wrote: post #377
yourbandsucks wrote: post #372

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This is a thread where Americans are debating whether we should "flatten" a billion people via nuclear bombardment because they don't govern themselves the way we think they should. I'd pick a different spot to call us morally superior. Like, any other thread.

Are we? I’ve seen a reasonable discussion so far on policy and ethics. There will always be trolls. I never said anyone was completely superior. But in this specific case.. we are, because American citizens (and their families) don’t disappear for criticizing their government or for refusing to spy on other countries.

That's awfully cherrypicked if you're going to limit things to specifically political prisoners.

We have LOTS more prisoners, btw, 4x as many per capita, with a nasty racial bias. And that's before you get into all the dead Arabs and Latinos who dared to have a government that wasn't freedomy enough for us.

What's your exchange rate between those? Do you value the tiny number of people speaking out against the state's legitimacy that much, when were talking millions of other innocent lives?

Becoming suddenly sure that we MUST kneecap our rival for totally sound moral reasons is soooo American. I feel like I'm living in groundhog day and nobody else can tell.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by munmaek »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #382
munmaek wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we? I’ve seen a reasonable discussion so far on policy and ethics. There will always be trolls. I never said anyone was completely superior. But in this specific case.. we are, because American citizens (and their families) don’t disappear for criticizing their government or for refusing to spy on other countries.

That's awfully cherrypicked if you're going to limit things to specifically political prisoners. We have LOTS more prisoners, btw, 4x as many per capita, with a nasty racial bias. And that's before you get into all the dead Arabs and Latinos who dared to have a government that wasn't freedomy enough for us. What's your exchange rate between those? Do you value the tiny number of people speaking out against the state'…

So because the US government isn’t perfect, US based companies and US citizens are not allowed to espouse opinions on policy?

I can’t change what my government has done, and I can’t really change what it’s doing besides voting, but I can have my own opinion.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by rimliu »

gdy wrote: post #350
rimliu wrote: post #300

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Does that reading include Russia's plan to create their own internet free of influence from the rotten West?

There is no such plan, you are misinformed.

And you know this how?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50259597

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by rimliu »

gdy wrote: post #347
rimliu wrote: post #295

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Maybe Russian people should do something about their government then. Alas, it enjoys massive support.

Be careful. This way you may end up justifying terrorist attacks against American citizens coming as a retribution for the foreign policy and military adventures of the democratically elected American government.

WAT?

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by mam2 »

peterkelly wrote: post #376

I wrote another comment arguing that this proposal was both racist and discriminatory, which got flagged and deleted without explanation, presumably because I worded it in such a way as to give an example that might resonate more with Americans by using examples of specific groups of people that have experienced oppression in the US. In the interests of quality discussion on HN, I'm going to make another attempt but…

In america it is my understanding you can be legally forced by intelligence agencies to provide confidential info about your company and legally forced to not disclose it to your company.

There's no reason to believe it's different in any other countries, in particular countries that have a an obvious confrontational stance against "the west" and are at least semi authoritarian.

So a person maybe a "nice/trustworthy person" but because of such laws, working with a person from a country equal granting access to your internal infos to the whole country this person is a citizen of.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by AsyncAwait »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #19

I'm shocked (in a positive way) about the amount of transparency Gitlab provides. Even as a reader, it almost feels as if someone misconfigured the ACLs or I'm reading leaked internal documents, not an intentional decision to make this open. Some of the discussions seem highly sensitive, and yet it seems to work for them. Thank you, Gitlab, for being so open! I've learned a lot about compliance from just reading this…

Indeed, thanks GitLab for being so open about your bigotry. I wonder what would happen if GitLab started excluding say Israeli nationals, because a large number of companies that sell 0-days for profit are based there, I suspect that accusations of antisemitism would pour in from all corners & rightfully so, but since demonizing China has been cool since the USSR's collapse & Russia rejoined the club it never really left in the eyes of Americans, it's all good.

Disgraceful. GitLab was once an inspiration to me in terms of its openness & culture, but the recent moves around tracking and now this, make it clear that GitLab has been around for too long to stay a hero.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

anoncake wrote: post #302
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #74

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In china, not from China. The former is easy to justify, and would affect even Americans of non Chinese descent. The latter would be incredibly difficult to justify, and could easily be seen as unwarranted discrimination.

Discriminating someone because of their Chinese ethnicity would be hard to justify but what about Chinese citizenship (especially if it's the only one) or ties to China like family living there? Those would make someone vulnerable to pressure by the Chinese government.

No. As long as someone has a green card or citizenship, who cares where their family lives? The only exception would be for national security clearances, and those affect Americans as well.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by d1ffuz0r »

peterkelly wrote: post #376

I wrote another comment arguing that this proposal was both racist and discriminatory, which got flagged and deleted without explanation, presumably because I worded it in such a way as to give an example that might resonate more with Americans by using examples of specific groups of people that have experienced oppression in the US. In the interests of quality discussion on HN, I'm going to make another attempt but…

It's called Ukrainization of US politics, in short "cut off one's nose to spite one's face" principe of life

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

skissane wrote: post #153
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #119

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I disagree completely. By that reasoning, a presidential candidate of Chinese descent who was a natural born American citizen but had relatives back in china would be disqualified, and that is nowhere justified by the constitution. A private company likewise shouldn’t be able to discriminate on speculative threats alone. What if they had a relative in prison, a hostile coercive environment by any measure? I accept th…

Constitutionally speaking, the President does not require a security clearance; the President ex officio has unlimited access to classified information. If there are concerns the President may be vulnerable to foreign influence, the constitutional processes to address those concerns are election and impeachment not security clearances.

True. Trump wouldn’t have qualified for high security access anyways just given his public relationship history, not even considering what an FBI clearances check would dig up.
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