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Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by Dolores12 »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #19

I'm shocked (in a positive way) about the amount of transparency Gitlab provides. Even as a reader, it almost feels as if someone misconfigured the ACLs or I'm reading leaked internal documents, not an intentional decision to make this open. Some of the discussions seem highly sensitive, and yet it seems to work for them. Thank you, Gitlab, for being so open! I've learned a lot about compliance from just reading this…

If we are so transparent about everything, can we know the name of that customer?

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by brightball »

peterkelly wrote: post #376

I wrote another comment arguing that this proposal was both racist and discriminatory, which got flagged and deleted without explanation, presumably because I worded it in such a way as to give an example that might resonate more with Americans by using examples of specific groups of people that have experienced oppression in the US. In the interests of quality discussion on HN, I'm going to make another attempt but…

FWIW I have seen government contracts that specifically request only US citizens have access to certain parts of systems.

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Post by vbezhenar »

defly wrote: post #366
vbezhenar wrote: post #265

I've never heard of Russian government using their state powers to take advantage of some developer and break into foreign network. That seems like strange and unethical move. I, personally, won't ever use Gitlab after that move.

https://www.dw.com/en/russian-intelligence-used-blackmail-to...

Thanks, that's scary. May be I'm wrong.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

teknologist wrote: post #269
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t matter. As long as a security clearance isn’t required, discriminating based on notational origin is a big no no from an ethical perspective, even if it was legal. I hope we learned our lesson during WW2.

Have you ever been to China? Such discrimination happens left, right and center. If you’re of an “acceptable” origin and have the right skin color, you might be ok...

I lived and worked in China for almost 10 years. I get that the foreigner glass ceiling is much lower there than here, and things like naked officials are actively discriminated against in government. That has nothing to do with the USA, however.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by Dolores12 »

arkades wrote: post #79
RomanPushkin wrote: post #71

> "It seems odd that we proclaim that we will accept any customer not prohibited by law (b5a35716) but we are implementing controls that impact employees based on a perceived political climate. This is contradictory." Second this

Accepting any customer serves the customers interest. According to customer requests that their sensitive information not be placed in a situation where it could be relatively easily accessed by state actors ... serves the customers interest. That’s not contradictory, except in the most superficial sense of “but we have open arms for everyone”.

Nothing stops state actor to access sensitive information through backdooring cleared engineer's system.

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Post by Quarrelsome »

brightball wrote: post #392
peterkelly wrote: post #376

I wrote another comment arguing that this proposal was both racist and discriminatory, which got flagged and deleted without explanation, presumably because I worded it in such a way as to give an example that might resonate more with Americans by using examples of specific groups of people that have experienced oppression in the US. In the interests of quality discussion on HN, I'm going to make another attempt but…

FWIW I have seen government contracts that specifically request only US citizens have access to certain parts of systems.

to elaborate: defence. They don't want people to have potential leverage (e.g. family members) within the grasp of other national powers who may not be allies.

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Post by Quarrelsome »

computerex wrote: post #330
_wmhc wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>realize that personal liberties, sovereignty and privacy are important to the "west" I think that Snowden showed us that this is not actually true. Things like National Security letters and the PATRIOT act make the US to me, as a European, seem very hypocritical right now.

There was a huge backlash against the government after Snowden. And Snowden was an American who leaked classified government information for the good of the country. Our perception of Snowden is generally very positive. If what you are saying is right, this wouldn't be the case. You don't see many Chinese whistleblowers leaking the most classified information to the vast public, for example. The patriot act was passe…

yes but where does Snowden now live?

You can't deny the hypocrisy here. While our citizens might support him they don't to the extent that they can pressure governments enough to allow him to return home.

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Post by gdy »

rimliu wrote: post #384
gdy wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no such plan, you are misinformed.

And you know this how? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50259597

Haven't you heard about Russell's teapot? The burden of proof lies on you.

For one thing, such isolation of Russian internet would have negative economic effect and it's the last thing Putin needs.

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Post by AsyncAwait »

munmaek wrote: post #331
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #207

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Are you in USA? Should other countries refuse to employ USA citizens because of actions of the government - things like pulling out of Syria to enable the Turkish murder of the Kurds to continue. >China has been using our money ... The best way is to vote with your money then?

Well, the US government wont make my family disappear if I don’t cooperate, for starters. I find it intellectually dishonest to compare the USA’s foreign policy with a dictatorship government that forces compliance through threats on local relatives, etc.

> Well, the US government wont make my family disappear if I don’t cooperate, for starters.

Right, if you're a U.S citizen maybe not, otherwise they'll do that and worse, read on "enhanced integrations", kidnappings etc.

So the U.S is better domestically, (still employs prisoners as effectively slave labor, treats minorities harshly, lets people die due to lack of healthcare...), but it is worse in terms of foreign policy, so in the end it seems to be a bit of a wash, doesn't it?

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