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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by dragontamer » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

jakobegger wrote: post #190

dragontamer wrote: post #170

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The $35k Model 3 was "announced" in 2016, over two years ago, with $1000 pre-order deposits taken at that time. https://www.engadget.com/2016/03/31/tesla-unveils-its-35-000... There were promises about how this car would arrive in 2017 back then. > The $35,000 (before federal tax credits) Model 3 sedan made its world debut at an event in Los Angeles. On stage, Elon Musk announced that the car will have at least 215 m…

Upselling is standard practice for car sales. I don't think barely anybody ever buys the base model of a car.

The difference is that the base model EXISTS in the other stores.

The $35k model 3 doesn't exist yet. But Mr. Musk has been touting that number for the past 3 years anyway. Its not common practice to tout a number for a mythical, non-existent car.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by Ma8ee » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #99

Ma8ee wrote: post #66

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Yes! This is something that I have wondered for a long time. Why do people buy a car that covers all possible usecases for all year around instead of buying one that is ideal for daily use and then rent a bigger car for the week or two when you need it? It would be better for the wallet and for the environment.

Because there are many great cars that fit all those requirements and that are usually cheaper than a current Tesla, better equiped than a Tesla (autopilot being the single exception, even though BMW, Porsche, VW and many others already have lane assist which is basically a little worse (but still comparable) version of Tesla's autopilot). Why bother with renting when you can just take your own car?

I don’t talk about Tesla. I am talking about a small car, electric or not, that cost a fraction to buy, drive, insure and will be easier to park. And then renting for that fishing trip or long road trip when your small car won’t do.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by leetcrew » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 5:14 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #168

leetcrew wrote: post #160

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accelerating really fast in a straight line is probably the most pointless aspect of "performance" for a car that gets driven on public roads. modern hot hatches that cost $25k are already too powerful to fully appreciate without getting your license taken away. a 230i or m240i is going to be much more fun to drive 10-15 mph over the speed limit than any Tesla. get one with a manual transmission while you still can.

You accelerate really fast in a straight line every time you pull out from a stop sign or red light. In fact if you are adhering to speed limits, accelerating really fast is the only way to save travel time.

I mean technically you are correct, but usually when people talk about performance, they are considering the recreational qualities of the car. most people don't buy fast cars to shave fractions of a second off accelerating to 35mph.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by rad_gruchalski » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 5:16 PM UTC

wil421 wrote: post #91

gpjanik wrote: post #56

I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. I was in Germany last year talking about a 5 series rental my coworker upgraded to. I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. Pick it up in Munich and you can save 5%. Companies in the US don’t post prices including taxes in almost all case…

> I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining.

I don’t believe you. The only stock 5 series over €100k is the M5 Limousine (€119k). All other models are well below €100k, unless they come with options / BMW Individual. 550d Touring xDrive is €82k base price (with taxes).

I’m looking at a 2019 530d M package with full option and that thing would cost me €82k, after discounts comes as low as €60k (trade in).

What you say with $60k is probably something like 520i base option before taxes (knowing US).

So, I don’t believe that story.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 5:17 PM UTC

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #132

gibolt wrote: post #119

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Not performance. And your Merc E won't get better with time.

A Mercedes E class won't get totaled if you get into a fender bender.

But how much will be broken or worn out after three years of service? Germans don't engineer for reliability.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by filoleg » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 5:20 PM UTC

zwily wrote: post #164

yason wrote: post #149

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Choosing Tesla is easy if all you care about is 0-100 km/h performance. However, not everyone do that.

It’s not just 0-100. Driving an EV is just more fun. (IMO of course).

Agreed. Model 3 is the only car that ever gave me a feeling similar to riding a supersport motorcycle in terms of acceleration.

P.S. Model 3 happens to be the only EV I tried, but as much as I know about EVs, most of them share a similar kind of "fun" acceleration.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by patejam » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 5:26 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #107

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #42

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You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic (and I don't mean that suburban sprawl "run through the gears between each stop light" type of stop and go you get in some places, I mean like going 10-30ft at a time between stops). That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. The extra cognitive load of having to worry about range and where you're going to charge is a pain in the butt that mo…

If cognitive load is what you care about, you should try autopilot’s cruise control with distance keeping. Stress erased from driving and cognitive load lifted almost completely. The win from this overcomes any cognitive load from thinking about charging by a factor of 100 or more in my experience. Most people are blown away by this when they get it. Of course it’s not unique to Tesla but it’s a big benefit.

You mean the cruise control that's already killed people? The cognitive load of not trusting cars around you is now increased by having to worry about not trusting your own car. That's crazy to me.

I'm pretty convinced most stress caused by driving is just people driving way too aggressively.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 5:26 PM UTC

mohaine wrote: post #71

coding123 wrote: post #58

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I don't get this. Isn't it nightmarish since no one has any idea when it will veer into some random object?

Not at all. The only place they ever "veer" is when the lane markings are lacking, which isn't very common. It is especially uncommon on the long, boring stretches of interstate that seem to drag on forever when driving.

It's extremely common to have worn out lane markings in the snow belt. New paint only lasts one winter before the plows scrape off most of the reflective beads. Rain driving in the dark then becomes a guessing game no machine can handle.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by willglynn » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 5:27 PM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #106

govg wrote: post #94

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I think the idea is that you use the superchargers as part of a meal stop that you would make with an ordinary car anyway. If you stop every X km with a regular car for breaks, and Tesla's network ensures you can always find a supercharger in these steps, you can stop, eat / refresh yourself and by the time you're done your car will be ready to make the next leg.

When was the last time you saw a supercharger in a fast food or restaurant parking lot? I live in a part of the Northeast where Teslas are very popular but I haven't seen one.

On a drive from Chicago to Minneapolis:

* Rockford IL is in the parking lot of a shopping mall with restaurants at the perimeter.

* Madison WI (1) is in the parking lot of a shopping mall with restaurants at the perimeter.

* Madison WI (2) is in the parking lot of a grocery store.

* Mauston WI is in the back of a Culver's adjacent to a McDonald's.

* Eau Claire WI is in the back of a commercial strip with a Panera Bread and… a noodle place?, with more restaurants across the street.

* Oakdale MN is in the parking lot of a grocery store.

Literally every stop I could make sells food.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by icebraining » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 5:30 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #186

icebraining wrote: post #183

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The actual car is the same. Tesla cars get upgrades and new features after purchase.

Ok, but if the E Class worth went up, you can't really say that's a bad deal...

They're classic cars from the 1950s kept shining and running. Not only did keeping them that way probably cost quite a bit, as I'd bet an E Class sold today won't have the same appeal sixty years from now as these do today.