Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by _ph_ » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 2:31 PM UTC

readhn wrote: post #28

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

Whats is the all in final cost for a Tesla 3 that you guys are paying in Switzerland? Im guessing its at least a double of a promised $35K USA price?

The USA prices are always without taxes while European prices usually contain VAT, which can be as high as 20%. On top of that there are import duties at least into EU countries. Most importantly, the deliveries in Europe started with the AWD configurations which start at $50k in the US too.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by e1ven » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 2:32 PM UTC

jak92 wrote: post #29

I'd like a tesla but not comfortable with their data policy. If tesla provides a way to opt out I may consider a base model 3 in the future.

Agreed. There's a lot to like about the cars, but they're very invasive.

Luckily you can get a service manual in Massachusetts (or at least electronic access)

If I were to buy one my first move would be to remove the modem and WiFi.

Even then I don't like the amount of data it records internally.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

short_sells_poo wrote: post #10

lazyjones wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true. The first Model 3 arrived in Switzerland in the 3rd week of February (2019-02-16). Tesla already sold 316 in February 2019 (+754% YoY). How much of an exceptional month March will be for the year, we'll see after the April data is released. The number of preorders for Model 3 in Switzerland should be easily 1 order of magnitude higher than what they delivered in March.

> Tesla already sold 316 in February 2019 (+754% YoY). I'm sure that's not your intention but please don't quote % numbers like this because it is extremely misleading and has zero indicative value. Going from selling one car to selling 100 is a 10000% increase. Is that a meaningful figure? No. All it does is inflate the percieved growth and makes the post look biased and suspect of having an agenda. Values that are…

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by madshiva » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

js2 wrote: post #21

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

A Chevy Volt would be perfect for your use case. Disclosure: happy Volt owner that my wife drives 95% around town with the occasional 120-300 mi road trip.

Chevrolet have a really bad reputation in Switzerland.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by ed_balls » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 2:35 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #46

ed_balls wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not sold in Europe. You can buy Prius plugin hybrid, new Corolla hybrid, BMW 330e etc.

Opel Ampera.

It's not sold any more since PSA bought them.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by gpjanik » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 2:37 PM UTC

I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by sorenjan » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 2:37 PM UTC

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

Why buy a car you'll own and pay for the whole year based on the usage for a few weeks? Wouldn't it make more sense to rent a road trip car when you need it?

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by coding123 » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 2:38 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #48

almost_usual wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Autopilot seems like it would make for a pretty boring road trip. You need to pay attention to the road but you’re not driving.

The pleasure of driving for me does not come from making thousands of micro-adjustments constantly, in fact that's what makes a road trip exhausting. Autopilot reduces the stress and decision fatigue.

I don't get this. Isn't it nightmarish since no one has any idea when it will veer into some random object?

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by lazyjones » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 2:39 PM UTC

readhn wrote: post #28

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

Whats is the all in final cost for a Tesla 3 that you guys are paying in Switzerland? Im guessing its at least a double of a promised $35K USA price?

> Im guessing its at least a double of a promised $35K USA price?

The low-end 35K model 3 (Standard Range RWD) isn't available in Europe yet. For 60k CHF including taxes you get the version that costs $48500 excluding taxes in the US (AWD long-range).

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by leejo » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 2:39 PM UTC

Reason077 wrote: post #34

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

The Tesla Model 3 is very capable of long road trips, especially in the summer, with a range of 500km or more. The only exception would be if you’re driving in very remote areas with no charging infrastructure, but that almost doesn’t exist any more in Western Europe. The Tesla Supercharger network, combined with its ability to charge on CCS charging networks like Ionity, make it uniquely suited to long distance trav…

I just checked a couple of the routes I have planned for this year, and there are supercharger points sufficiently close on them. They would add minor detours or alternative routes - for example heading to northern England would require taking the M1 rather than the A1, but it seems do-able. Maybe in a couple of years if I trade in my current car...